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I’ve always hated when the artsy, judgmental types enter the room and try to dominate a conversation. I’ve made a living as an artist for 20 years now and it ranges from highly illustrative to personal and what might be considered “philosophical” art or even landscape.  I enjoy it all. If I was pigeon holed into only doing one style I would lose my mind. I do what I want. Photography is no different.  I just enjoy taking photos. Some are documentary mostly of my son growing up, others are more deeply thought out.  Others happen when I spot a composition I like in a room, or on the side of the road. The fundamental in all art, IMHO is putting the right shapes in the right places. That’s a rule that shouldn’t be broken whether it’s painting, photography, abstract, impressionist, classical, documentary....etc etc. The problem becomes knowing where shapes should go.  

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2 minutes ago, Erato said:

Роль художника - задавать вопросы, а не отвечать на них.

One question. You yourself are not tired of looking at the same leaves in the bokeh. Landscapes. Portraits. Bugs. Monuments. Street photography. For the entire existence of the Internet, there are billions of identical photos. Aren't you tired of it?

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45 minutes ago, Masukami said:

@capo di tutti capi you've expressed some very strong (and inflexible opinions), with little respect for different opinions shared by other people.

Until the above post, the only image examples you have given to support your opinions are a couple of screenshots from a film and a reference to a photographic technique (the Brenizer Method) which has very little relevance to this thread.

When you were asked to share a website that shows your professional work you replied with the mysterious comment "Like I said before. If you know all the tricks and tricks of the great masters. You will stop taking pictures".

Finally, you share a single product shot of a couple of watches. As a claimed professional photographer, I would have thought it would be easy for you to share at least a website to give some examples of your work that support your strong opinions.

Clearly, you are not obliged to share anything, but based on all the above (and the fact your forum account name when translated into English means 'boss of all the bosses'), I can no longer take seriously what you write.

As a keen amateur photographer, I started this thread in the hope of having an interesting discussion that I could learn from.  Now, when I read it from the start, I see it has been hijacked by a lot of noise and no substance. That's a pity.

Many thanks for starting this thread @Masukami.

Three comments...

1.  To return to post #1:  the past year's lockdowns confirmed to me that I have too many lenses in too wide a range (from 21mm to 135mm); a review of usage tells me I should sell everything outside the 35mm-75mm range and everything that is not in the Mandler tradition, including the APO 75/2 ASPH and 35/1.4 ASPH pre-FLE.  Favorites include the 75 Summilux for portraits, owing to its tonality and sharp but painterly rendering; and several 50s, the Summicron collapsible and rigid v.2/DR for their handling of mid-tones and what I'll call their quiet signature and the Summilux pre-ASPH v.3 for its rendering -- in my eyes -- similar to the Summilux 75.  Having said that, I have ended up most of all using the 35mm focal length (mostly the Summicron v.4 and Summaron 35/2) to add context.

2.  It is fascinating in a Monte Python way to see how someone will hijack and smear up a thread and others will manfully try to steer the give-and-take back to its original course no matter how preposterous the smearer's abuse gets.  You're all better men than I am, Gunga Din.

3.  @Capo di tutti capi:  there is old Chicago saying:  "Don't be weisenheimer".  If aim of your 54 posts (and counting) in this thread alone was merely to display your "skill" as всезнайка, you could have stopped after your first post.  Second old Chicago saying:  "Quit while you're ahead."  Unfortunately, post #13 shows that you cannot resist being пошлый, for which there is no exact equivalent in English.  Perhaps smugness in vulgarity will have to do.  Third old Chicago saying:  "Don't carry oprichnina from Muscovy."  Being a вор в законе, a capo di tutti capi, fits in unnoticed in Moscow, but makes your presence here unproductive.

 

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10 minutes ago, Ccoppola82 said:

I’ve always hated when the artsy, judgmental types enter the room and try to dominate a conversation. I’ve made a living as an artist for 20 years now and it ranges from highly illustrative to personal and what might be considered “philosophical” art or even landscape.  I enjoy it all. If I was pigeon holed into only doing one style I would lose my mind. I do what I want. Photography is no different.  I just enjoy taking photos. Some are documentary mostly of my son growing up, others are more deeply thought out.  Others happen when I spot a composition I like in a room, or on the side of the rode. The fundamental in all art, IMHO is putting the right shapes in the right places. That’s a rule that shouldn’t be broken whether it’s painting, photography, abstract, impressionist, classical, documentary....etc etc. The problem becomes knowing where shapes should go.  

In the night sky, meteorites are the brightest among others

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17 minutes ago, capo di tutti capi said:

One question. You yourself are not tired of looking at the same leaves in the bokeh. Landscapes. Portraits. Bugs. Monuments. Street photography. For the entire existence of the Internet, there are billions of identical photos. Aren't you tired of it?

You don't see things with true colors or black and white if the light source is missing from your soul.

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1 hour ago, capo di tutti capi said:

google it. Any photo. Search by images or tags

Even after you edit, it's still a mystery to me what I am supposed to search for.

Edit: no need to reply though, I'm not really interested.

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39 minutes ago, johnkunstadter said:

You're all better men than I am, Gunga Din.

Whenever I see this I always have to look up where its from and always realise that I knew all along.

Just diverting the thread to somethng relatively useful😉

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Photography isn't necessarily Art. It's an activity, a way of engaging the world, a way to keep a memory, a recording of occurrences. Some photograph as a hobby, not all are artistically inclined. Sometimes, the objective is really to see what something looks like photographed, as someone famous once opined. "Art", and "originality", should be way down on the list of reasons to make a photograph. 

If, by some strange stroke of serendipity, a photo is somehow seen as "original" or "Art", even, then thank the stars for your good fortune.  Or, maybe not, as then you'll be expected to make more "Art", and be even more "original", which is quite a lot of pressure. Even St Ansel ended up making the same photo over and over again.

Western musicians all work with the same 12 musical tones. You may think all of the world's music has been written, but it has not. 

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58 minutes ago, capo di tutti capi said:

One question. You yourself are not tired of looking at the same leaves in the bokeh. Landscapes. Portraits. Bugs. Monuments. Street photography. For the entire existence of the Internet, there are billions of identical photos. Aren't you tired of it?

Others: mostly yes, except to the extent that it strikes or inspires me (which is somewhat rare).
Mine: definitely no, because it's a combination of action and memory and reinforces both. My own photography is all about personal memories.

What is the ultimate point at which you're driving here?

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1 hour ago, capo di tutti capi said:

Who wants to make pictures for the sake of beauty? It's primitive

Please do yourself the favor of checking out Saul Leiter's work. I mean, if you can find the time between all of the "important photos" you are busy making.

"I may be old-fashioned. But I believe there is such a thing as a search for beauty – a delight in the nice things in the world. And I don’t think one should have to apologize for it.”

 

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