LeicaR10 Posted January 1, 2021 Share #21 Posted January 1, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Aksclix, The S system cameras and lenses are all in a class unto themselves. Yes, there were initial issues with the camera sensors and lenses. All since resolved. The camera and lenses were designed from the ground up for digital. The S when created in 2008 was and IMO, remains a system ahead of its time. My corporate clients and private collectors have repeatedly told me, the photographs created with the S have a unique rendering that is both different and superb. They vote with their wallets. They are happy and I am as well. There are a lot of cameras out there, but none render like the S. Perhaps you will find the same with S photographs as well. Only way to find out is get out and create beautiful photographs the cause the viewer to; Stop, Look, Think and perhaps Feel something about that moment in time. Best regards for a creative and Happy New Year! r/ Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mgrayson3 Posted January 1, 2021 Share #22 Posted January 1, 2021 It's weird. The majority of my best images were captured with an S(006). I upgraded to an (007) when the (006) took a bad fall and needed repair. Having live view has helped with certain difficult focussing, but it hasn't helped my photography. I do better looking through the unparalleled OVF. Health problems put the S system on the shelf for a year. I carried an X1D. Never loved it. Tried the GFX100 for a year. Spectacular sharpness from 17mm to 350mm. Boring photos. Sold everything but the S. If I never use the live view, it's almost as good as my original S(006). 😇 This is obviously personal. There is nothing about the X1D or GFX systems that is less than technically superb. I just prefer the S. And its lenses. My God! The lenses. Long story short - hell, yes. Get an S2 or S(006). Matt 8 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share #23 Posted January 1, 2021 1 hour ago, mgrayson3 said: It's weird. The majority of my best images were captured with an S(006). I upgraded to an (007) when the (006) took a bad fall and needed repair. Having live view has helped with certain difficult focussing, but it hasn't helped my photography. I do better looking through the unparalleled OVF. Health problems put the S system on the shelf for a year. I carried an X1D. Never loved it. Tried the GFX100 for a year. Spectacular sharpness from 17mm to 350mm. Boring photos. Sold everything but the S. If I never use the live view, it's almost as good as my original S(006). 😇 This is obviously personal. There is nothing about the X1D or GFX systems that is less than technically superb. I just prefer the S. And its lenses. My God! The lenses. Long story short - hell, yes. Get an S2 or S(006). Matt I got the S2 and have the 120mm already.. 70 is on the way.. can't invest more at the moment on the S system but I am thinking this should suffice for now.. I have too many brands and I need to do justice to all of them.. Yes, the GFX 100 produces incredibly sharp images.. yes, the colors and the contrast are not as pleasing as the Leica SL2 in fact but it's got its own place and there are many people who love the GFX film standard look over the Leica I am a very unbiased photographer and that is why I carry multiple systems and LOVE all of them.. The only brand I don't have is the Olympus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share #24 Posted January 1, 2021 On 12/26/2020 at 2:35 PM, hoppyman said: I have the 120 as well and mine is not the CS version. I think its image quality is superb, while on the SL2 I think it’s better suited for a slower, more deliberate technique. I think it’s best suited to a native body. I never had any issues with mine . The central shutter in my 70 failed twice after the AF motor fail. Personally I don’t plan to invest further in the S system ( and I tested the S3). As you have S lenses to me it makes sense to obtain an S body if you can find a deal that you are happy with. yes, now that I have tried the 120 on S body, I can say its definitely faster and easier to use.. but its pretty heavy though I have a weak wrist from a fall about a decade ago.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share #25 Posted January 1, 2021 The only thing I don't like about the S2 is the display.. it shows its age.. its not a true indicator of how the actual picture is at all! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 1, 2021 Share #26 Posted January 1, 2021 The S3 screen is also ancient compared to even the SL2 screen. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrayson3 Posted January 1, 2021 Share #27 Posted January 1, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 44 minutes ago, aksclix said: I got the S2 and have the 120mm already.. 70 is on the way.. can't invest more at the moment on the S system but I am thinking this should suffice for now.. I have too many brands and I need to do justice to all of them.. Yes, the GFX 100 produces incredibly sharp images.. yes, the colors and the contrast are not as pleasing as the Leica SL2 in fact but it's got its own place and there are many people who love the GFX film standard look over the Leica I am a very unbiased photographer and that is why I carry multiple systems and LOVE all of them.. The only brand I don't have is the Olympus I have nothing against the Fuji output. It's the EVF, which, as a glasses wearer, I can't use. In fact, I removed it from the camera and relied solely on the LCD. Same with the X1D. Same with the SL (I LOVE the SL optics. Best zooms in the universe. I just dislike using the camera.) The S is the only camera I've ever used where I could see the whole frame through the viewfinder (ok, I never tried the Nikon F5). The Canon 1 series wasn't bad, but the S is FAR ahead of the rest of the pack. I blame the boring photos on my relationship to the camera and not the camera's capabilities. In fairness, I took what is arguably my best lifetime capture with the X1D. But the next 20 were with the S. At the risk of boring everyone with irrelevancies, here's my post-film history: Olympus 3030 - First kid on the way. Must get camera. Pictures of kids Canon 1D, 1DsII - kids moving faster. Get sports camera. Take first picture that people want to buy from me (It was not of the kids...) 10 years later - Phase Back/Cambo/SK lenses. GREAT for workshops. Terrible for around town. Never gets used when not on a workshop. Sell it all. Leica Q - take first picture where I say "Damn! I'm a photographer!" By which I meant that the image was more interesting than the equipment. Leica S - I feel like a photographer. Before this, the shutter button would whispered "You suck!" whenever I pressed it. Now, images are calling to me "Hey!! You walked right by me. Come back here and get the shot." Camera is happy to oblige. This isn't a metaphor. It's actually how it felt. Very disturbing at first, great once I got used to it. X1D and GFX - see above. Back to S. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share #28 Posted January 2, 2021 11 hours ago, Jeff S said: The S3 screen is also ancient compared to even the SL2 screen. Jeff Oh, didn’t know that.. hope the lcd resolution is at least not so ancient Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share #29 Posted January 2, 2021 11 hours ago, mgrayson3 said: I have nothing against the Fuji output. It's the EVF, which, as a glasses wearer, I can't use. In fact, I removed it from the camera and relied solely on the LCD. Same with the X1D. Same with the SL (I LOVE the SL optics. Best zooms in the universe. I just dislike using the camera.) The S is the only camera I've ever used where I could see the whole frame through the viewfinder (ok, I never tried the Nikon F5). The Canon 1 series wasn't bad, but the S is FAR ahead of the rest of the pack. I blame the boring photos on my relationship to the camera and not the camera's capabilities. In fairness, I took what is arguably my best lifetime capture with the X1D. But the next 20 were with the S. At the risk of boring everyone with irrelevancies, here's my post-film history: Olympus 3030 - First kid on the way. Must get camera. Pictures of kids Canon 1D, 1DsII - kids moving faster. Get sports camera. Take first picture that people want to buy from me (It was not of the kids...) 10 years later - Phase Back/Cambo/SK lenses. GREAT for workshops. Terrible for around town. Never gets used when not on a workshop. Sell it all. Leica Q - take first picture where I say "Damn! I'm a photographer!" By which I meant that the image was more interesting than the equipment. Leica S - I feel like a photographer. Before this, the shutter button would whispered "You suck!" whenever I pressed it. Now, images are calling to me "Hey!! You walked right by me. Come back here and get the shot." Camera is happy to oblige. This isn't a metaphor. It's actually how it felt. Very disturbing at first, great once I got used to it. X1D and GFX - see above. Back to S. Interesting journey and thoughts.. I started only 15 years ago.. started with a canon s2Is (not a DSLR) and only shot in manual mode in that as I learnt stuff.. eventually upgraded to a Nikon D90 and then slow upgrades till I could finally afford a Plethora of awesome gear about 3 years ago 😌 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 2, 2021 Share #30 Posted January 2, 2021 13 minutes ago, aksclix said: Oh, didn’t know that.. hope the lcd resolution is at least not so ancient S3... 3 inch, 921k dot SL2... 3.2 inch, 2100k dot Jeff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted January 2, 2021 Share #31 Posted January 2, 2021 S006 is also 3.0 920k... I think both the S3 and S006 screens were usable. It is certainly noticeable how much better the screen is in the SL2 than the S3...part of it is surely the refresh rate in live view, as the S3 probably has to work harder to get that data to display cleanly, and it has a older version of the Maestro processor. The S2 is definitely a step behind the other S cameras when it comes to the screen and interface. But as noted above, the CCD takes beautiful pictures and the handling is still great. Best practice for the S2 is to basically ignore the display. Just set your custom interface to change WB, ISO, Drive Mode and EV, and use those and the dials to take your photos. As long as you are exposing reasonably, that is pretty much all you need to worry about. Checking sharpness is not great on the screen...it always looks soft, but once you get used to it, you can probably figure out what is just soft because of the jpeg it uses to display, and what is soft because it is out of focus. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share #32 Posted January 3, 2021 I tried connecting an old 7" Marshall LCD monitor to the Leica S2 via the mini HDMI port but I couldn't playback anything on the screen.. are there some known compatibility issues? maybe my hdmi cable was old? any thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 3, 2021 Author Share #33 Posted January 3, 2021 This is an unprocessed but slightly cropped image from the S2 with 120mm.. I did use sf40 flash though.. this is pretty solid performance Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/316409-worth-getting-a-leica-s2-or-a-s006-in-2021/?do=findComment&comment=4111556'>More sharing options...
Sarnian Posted January 3, 2021 Share #34 Posted January 3, 2021 Is ISO 80 an advantage or disadvantage of the S2? The 006, 007 and S3 all start at ISO 100. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 4, 2021 Author Share #35 Posted January 4, 2021 23 hours ago, Sarnian said: Is ISO 80 an advantage or disadvantage of the S2? The 006, 007 and S3 all start at ISO 100. I think the difference is negligible but I'll rather have other experienced folks in S system speak up.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 4, 2021 Author Share #36 Posted January 4, 2021 Folks - I really need to know this.. Can you not playback your images on an external monitor connected thru the mini HDMI port of S2? It doesn't work for me.. tried 2 different monitors and cables without any luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetersDreams Posted January 4, 2021 Share #37 Posted January 4, 2021 Does the slideshow work? I can get the slideshow (of images on the CF card) to work, but I can't get the HDMI feed to work (With an atomos Ninja V) Cheers Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksclix Posted January 4, 2021 Author Share #38 Posted January 4, 2021 47 minutes ago, PetersDreams said: Does the slideshow work? I can get the slideshow (of images on the CF card) to work, but I can't get the HDMI feed to work (With an atomos Ninja V) Cheers Peter nope, that doesn't work either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted January 4, 2021 Share #39 Posted January 4, 2021 Did you try the manual for the slideshow? It sounds like the functionality for the HDMI is very limited on the S2, and you have to manually select the images to show, the output resolution and so forth. The manual is available via Leica's website. I could find no mention that the S2 supports any kind of general purpose output to hdmi (such as a live view of the interface, let alone the sensor, which would require CMOS). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted January 4, 2021 Share #40 Posted January 4, 2021 Regarding ISO 80, I always got the impression from Leica people like David Farkas that ISO 80 had a smaller exposure range than ISO 160, which was the true base ISO. But being able to lower the ISO is useful at times for things like flash work, shooting wide open, or long exposure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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