John Smith Posted December 9, 2020 Share #1 Posted December 9, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just installed Capture One 21 and applied the Leica ProStandard profile to some of my photographs. I like it a lot. Does anyone know anything about the secret sauce of this profile? What’s it doing exactly compared to the generic profile? I wish they would make one for the M10R too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John Smith Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share #2 Posted December 9, 2020 Found this on the Capture One site: The ProStandard profiles are available starting from Capture One 21 (14.0.0). They are particularly suitable for portrait photography and product photography of the objects with saturated or very bright colors. The ProStandard profiles render colors more naturally, so there is a better transition between the hues and better retention of colors after the adjustments have been applied. Overall, the colors look natural from shadows to highlights with the ProStandard profiles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share #3 Posted December 9, 2020 Just downloaded C1 v.21 and it comes with ProStandard profiles for the SL2 and S3. I don’t have a S anymore, but I like the SL2’s profile. This is from the site: The ProStandard profiles are available starting from Capture One 21 (14.0.0). They are particularly suitable for portrait photography and product photography of the objects with saturated or very bright colors. The ProStandard profiles render colors more naturally, so there is a better transition between the hues and better retention of colors after the adjustments have been applied. Overall, the colors look natural from shadows to highlights with the ProStandard profiles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snap Pilot Posted December 9, 2020 Share #4 Posted December 9, 2020 Upgraded to Capture One version 21 today as well. I'm happy that they added Leica S Lens support. They cover both lenses I have and I'm looking forward to editing my next shoot. Whenever that is. I was playing with the 70mm and 120mm lens profile to see if there was any difference from the generic profile. Curious about these ProStandard profiles though. I wish they can make a ProStandard profile for any profile for the older S models. I have the 007. I am currently using DNG - Neutral for the ICC and the DNG Standard for the curve. The photos are still awesome, but I can't help but wonder how the files would be if they were actually supported. I do get issues with the healing brush where it looks like a terrible sample point, but it only shows up after I restart capture one. It looks good the first time. For capture one users, what profiles are you using for the 007? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted December 10, 2020 Share #5 Posted December 10, 2020 I look forward to trying it, but unfortunately I just bought the full license version of Capture One 20 in September, so clearly I chose the wrong time to buy. It seems like there is pretty much no choice other than to upgrade though, as an S3 and SL2 user. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrayson3 Posted December 11, 2020 Share #6 Posted December 11, 2020 The latest version (out today) supports tethering with the S(007). Still no profiles for any S but the S3. I recall a claim (Reddot?) that the CFA on the S3 is slightly different in the reds for better skin tones, so I'm not sure if its profiles will be best for the (007). We'll see... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted December 12, 2020 Share #7 Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I never owned the S007, but a friend of mine has one and I shot it side by side with the S3, and I felt the colors were more different than just the reds. It is hard to pin it down to one thing. The S3 has a more "tuned" profile in Lightroom. Adobe has done a lot more than just correct the colors. For me, sadly, it was a negative. I felt like there were things going on that I did not like, such as desaturation in certain colors and in the shadows (grasses and earth tones tinting more towards brown or magenta), as well as having more of a "clarity" look than a profile made with a color chart. I preferred Leica's embedded profile or a custom profile. Unfortunately, Adobe has tied some of their sensor tailored noise reduction to their own profiles. So if you use your own custom profile or Leica's embedded profile, your files suffer in high ISO's or if you need to lift the shadows. The adobe profile feels more like a preset than a profile. In general, I found that I much preferred the colors in the default DNG in Capture One, which overall gave more natural and pleasing colors to my eye. The noise reduction is also much superior. So I think it will be interesting to see if the ProStandard profiles improve on this even further, or if they take it in the opposite direction. The big issue for me is that I rely on Lightroom for my studio and have years worth of edits, printing jobs and digital asset management baked into it. With C1, I clearly need a refresher course in terms of how it handles digital asset management, as I can edit with no problem, but can never seem to find the files I have already edited, nor does the workflow seem to be very fluid. But I am sure that most of that is just what I am used to. Edited December 12, 2020 by Stuart Richardson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted December 12, 2020 Share #8 Posted December 12, 2020 Am 9.12.2020 um 01:48 schrieb John Smith: I just installed Capture One 21 and applied the Leica ProStandard profile to some of my photographs. I like it a lot. Does anyone know anything about the secret sauce of this profile? What’s it doing exactly compared to the generic profile? I wish they would make one for the M10R too. I cant speak for Leica profiles just had the chance to compare shots fron a Canon R5 old and new… Skintones are better meaning not so changing and more uniform. The unsaturated colors are a bit more saturated and cleaner. It is not much different overall but it save a bit time in post… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaubauu2009 Posted December 18, 2020 Share #9 Posted December 18, 2020 On 12/11/2020 at 1:09 AM, Stuart Richardson said: I look forward to trying it, but unfortunately I just bought the full license version of Capture One 20 in September, so clearly I chose the wrong time to buy. It seems like there is pretty much no choice other than to upgrade though, as an S3 and SL2 user. Same here! Damn it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted December 18, 2020 Share #10 Posted December 18, 2020 I paid for it, and honestly I don't think there is a huge difference from the generic DNG that was in Capture One 20. I still have it on my other computer and will compare. The difference between the regular and prostandard profiles seems to be pretty subtle, but that is not a bad thing, necessarily. Easiest to see quickly with a color chart. The saturation increases noticeably in the Caucasian skin tone patch, as well as in the greens etc. It looks like it will increase saturation without seeming unnatural. I started up the tethering and saw that there is no live view in either the SL2 or S3. I thought that was what tethering was these days, so I was kind of surprised. I can see how it can still be useful in studio, but for me it is no longer something I think I will use that often, as the real advantage for me would be to have the large screen to make framing and shot setup easier for things like macro or studio work, but since it does not do live view, it is kind of superfluous for me. I will just setup the shots in camera and then use a card. But if you are working with others on a collaborative shoot, I can still see the value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanno Posted December 19, 2020 Share #11 Posted December 19, 2020 (edited) On 12/18/2020 at 2:42 AM, Stuart Richardson said: I paid for it, and honestly I don't think there is a huge difference from the generic DNG that was in Capture One 20. I still have it on my other computer and will compare. The difference between the regular and prostandard profiles seems to be pretty subtle, but that is not a bad thing, necessarily. Easiest to see quickly with a color chart. The saturation increases noticeably in the Caucasian skin tone patch, as well as in the greens etc. It looks like it will increase saturation without seeming unnatural. I started up the tethering and saw that there is no live view in either the SL2 or S3. I thought that was what tethering was these days, so I was kind of surprised. I can see how it can still be useful in studio, but for me it is no longer something I think I will use that often, as the real advantage for me would be to have the large screen to make framing and shot setup easier for things like macro or studio work, but since it does not do live view, it is kind of superfluous for me. I will just setup the shots in camera and then use a card. But if you are working with others on a collaborative shoot, I can still see the value. Live view is announced for 2021 on S3 and SL2 https://us.leica-camera.com/Company/Press-Centre/Press-Releases/2020/Press-Release-Premium-photo-editing-software-Capture-One-21-Pro-now-enables-tethered-shooting-with-the-Leica-S3-and-the-Leica-SL2 Edited December 19, 2020 by Hanno 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jürgen Posted December 19, 2020 Share #12 Posted December 19, 2020 Unfortunately there is no profile in C21 for my Leica M10-R 🙁 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted December 19, 2020 Share #13 Posted December 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Hanno said: Live view is announced for 2021 on S3 and SL2 https://us.leica-camera.com/Company/Press-Centre/Press-Releases/2020/Press-Release-Premium-photo-editing-software-Capture-One-21-Pro-now-enables-tethered-shooting-with-the-Leica-S3-and-the-Leica-SL2 That's great news! Thanks for letting us know Hanno. That will make it a much more worthy tool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted December 20, 2020 Author Share #14 Posted December 20, 2020 (edited) On 12/17/2020 at 8:42 PM, Stuart Richardson said: I paid for it, and honestly I don't think there is a huge difference from the generic DNG that was in Capture One 20. I still have it on my other computer and will compare. The difference between the regular and prostandard profiles seems to be pretty subtle, but that is not a bad thing, necessarily. Easiest to see quickly with a color chart. The saturation increases noticeably in the Caucasian skin tone patch, as well as in the greens etc. It looks like it will increase saturation without seeming unnatural. There isn't a dramatic difference with some photos, but a substantial one with others. Edited December 20, 2020 by John Smith 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted December 20, 2020 Share #15 Posted December 20, 2020 39 minutes ago, John Smith said: There isn't a dramatic difference with some photos, but a substantial one with others. Do you mean between the S3 in Capture One 20 and 21, or between the standard profiles and the prostandard profiles? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share #16 Posted February 14, 2021 On 12/20/2020 at 11:52 AM, Stuart Richardson said: Do you mean between the S3 in Capture One 20 and 21, or between the standard profiles and the prostandard profiles? Stuart, I was talking about the SL2 profiles between standard and ProStandard. I don’t have an S anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
budjames Posted March 14, 2021 Share #17 Posted March 14, 2021 I find the ProStandard Profiles for my Leica M10-R to be oversaturated and reddish yellow. Unacceptable to me. I use the Adobe DNG Neutral as my default M10-R ICC profile. Regards, Bud James Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixeleater Posted March 16, 2021 Share #18 Posted March 16, 2021 (edited) On 12/19/2020 at 5:18 AM, Jürgen said: Unfortunately there is no profile in C21 for my Leica M10-R 🙁 Another thread said that it had an M10-R profile? Edited March 16, 2021 by Pixeleater Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted March 16, 2021 Share #19 Posted March 16, 2021 Am 19.12.2020 um 14:18 schrieb Jürgen: Unfortunately there is no profile in C21 for my Leica M10-R 🙁 Isn´t that what you are looking for? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/315907-capture-one-21-prostandard-profiles/?do=findComment&comment=4162183'>More sharing options...
Hanno Posted March 17, 2021 Share #20 Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) On 3/14/2021 at 6:44 PM, budjames said: I find the ProStandard Profiles for my Leica M10-R to be oversaturated and reddish yellow. Unacceptable to me. I use the Adobe DNG Neutral as my default M10-R ICC profile. Regards, Bud James Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto Hi I am just curious as why there may be such colour issues with Capture One, as I don't have issues with the ProStandard Profile. If you have the time, you may try to download Leica's "proof of performance" DNG pictures available on their website (link below) for the M10-R. It would be interesting to see if you have the same issue with colours when selecting the ProStandard Profile? I opened these DNG files with the ProStandard Profile on, and the colours were great, as they appear on their website. As these are DNG, you can "reset" them with "No Color Correction" as ICC Profile and "Linear Response" as Curve, and start from there, checking all the profile and curve options. https://uk.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/Leica-M10-R/Technical-Insights" Edited March 17, 2021 by Hanno Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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