maxfairclough Posted October 19, 2020 Share #21 Posted October 19, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have the base M10 as well as the M10-R. The base M10 is already so quiet that it won't be an issue. Especially on the street etc. You really cannot hear it. I actually prefer a slightly louder shutter personally. Get the base M10. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OR120 Posted October 19, 2020 Share #22 Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) On 10/17/2020 at 10:51 AM, Jadcx said: Hi Like so many others before me, I have long dreamed of a Leica, and now, I'm probably able to make that dream a reality. However, money is not unlimited, so I still have some choices to make, which I'm hoping some of you can help with, or at least confirm that they might not be as tough as they appear. My current thinking is that I can get a good used M10 (£4100) and 35mm Summilux ASPH II (£2300). I'm mostly going to be using this for travel and street style, so I think that this seems like a good combination. Photography isn't my profession, or even a money-making sideline, it's just for my own enjoyment. And yes, I fully realise that there are many cheaper, newer, 'better' cameras out there. I don't want one of those. But then, the internet hinders as much as it helps. Should I spend another £1000 for the M10-P? The touch screen looks nice but isn't a big issue for me, and the quieter shutter is, well, nice? I don't see hundreds of threads of people complaining about the outrageously loud shutter on the M10, so is it really worth it for me? And it will take me another few months to save the extra cash. Then there's the M10-R, obviously, but at least another £3000 on top of my M10 budget. And an even longer time to save. Ideally I could add in some actual real world experiences to my decision making. However here in the UK it doesn't seem possible to hire any of these cameras so I can't try them out to see which I prefer, and I don't know anyone with one either. I find it very easy to get caught up in the details, just because there's something newer, 'better', whatever. So maybe my question is this; is the M10 still a good value introduction to the Leica world? Thoughts, ideas, and help all appreciated. Perfect timing -- I'm wondering the same thing - with just M10 -M10P Edited October 19, 2020 by OR120 sp 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadcx Posted October 19, 2020 Author Share #23 Posted October 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, OR120 said: Perfect timing -- I wondering the same thing - with just M10 -M10P I hope this helps in your decision making. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
feelssadman Posted October 19, 2020 Share #24 Posted October 19, 2020 Can roughly confirm what has been said. I bought an M10 late-2017 and I still didn't have the urge or need to upgrade. The only thing which gets on my nerves sometimes is the missing level gauge which is included in the P model but I'm happy with the rest so far. Also, to repeat a.noctilux again, don't forget to get a second battery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OR120 Posted October 19, 2020 Share #25 Posted October 19, 2020 (edited) My second body quest - I currently have a me typ240 with enough lenses. As I consider my used M10 - M10P search - what is most important when looking at used bodies? Camera condition/physical appearance, shutter actuations or ...........? I will be buying this used body from a Leica shop. Thank you for your thoughts. Edited October 19, 2020 by OR120 sp 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 19, 2020 Share #26 Posted October 19, 2020 6 minutes ago, OR120 said: My second body quest - I currently have a me typ240 with enough lenses. As I consider my used M10 - M10P search - what is most important when looking at used bodies? Camera condition/physical appearance, shutter actuations or ...........? I will be buying this used body from a Leica shop. Thank you for your thoughts. Buy from a reputable dealer (like Leica Miami, for instance) that will inspect gear and have it serviced prior to sale if needed, and then provide warranty (sometimes even by Leica) and return policy. Let them worry about potential problem areas; they understand any vulnerable aspects of specific items. You might pay a bit more, but you get what you pay for. Jeff 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikep996 Posted October 19, 2020 Share #27 Posted October 19, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) " I have definitely avoided saying that I will never need to buy another camera again" Yeah, be careful with those sort of statements...I've purchased my "Last Motorcycle" 4 times in the last 10 years. 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted October 21, 2020 Share #28 Posted October 21, 2020 On 10/19/2020 at 5:10 PM, OR120 said: My second body quest - I currently have a me typ240 with enough lenses. As I consider my used M10 - M10P search - what is most important when looking at used bodies? Camera condition/physical appearance, shutter actuations or ...........? I will be buying this used body from a Leica shop. Thank you for your thoughts. Apart from technical inspection and a reputable dealer of course, my experience is that having it in your hands and getting the feeling of it ultimately makes or breaks the deal 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonnyboy Posted October 21, 2020 Share #29 Posted October 21, 2020 The price of the M10 is still going down (I saw them flying around £3500). I'm tempted to sell my M9Mono and get my hands on an M10 too....very tempted! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick1st Posted October 21, 2020 Share #30 Posted October 21, 2020 Went through the same thoughts and told myself i wanted to go with a M10P. Having very limited experience with a digital rangefinder prior other than one day with a M9 i was also super hesitant to step into this ring. I had a Q that i was happy with but did not enjoy the 28mm perspective but it scratched my Leica curiosity. A M10 popped up locally this past summer that i was able to work a deal with the owner including their 50mm summilux. Even managed to work my Q into the deal. Long story short i couldnt be happier. It reignited my passion for photography. Like you i am just a hobbyist but this camera makes me want to make pictures. Prior systems just felt less engaging. Go for it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadcx Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share #31 Posted October 21, 2020 So I'm convinced, the M10 is a great option. I actually have a very appealing offer from another member here, but COVID precludes us meeting in person. So I'm currently trying to work out an option to 'borrow' one locally for some actual hands-on experience to ensure that I'm not going to hate the whole rangefinder experience. Unfortunately this is proving more difficult than I had anticipated, but I'm still hopeful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musotographer Posted October 21, 2020 Share #32 Posted October 21, 2020 The M10 is still a superlative camera and I would be very happy still to have mine. (I sold it earlier this year to be able to buy an M10M.) The silent shutter on the M10M (same as the M10-P's) IS a joy, but I don't think it's quite a thousand-pound's-worth of joy. If you're worried about spending so much money (and I would be too - I vividly remember buying my first Leica seven years ago and wondering if I had lost my senses) I wonder if you need to spend so much on the lens? My Rigid Summicron 50 cost me about £800, and even my pre-Asph Summilux 35 only about £1400, and I love them both. If you look at the respected dealers' websites - or better still, visit their stores in person - you can sometimes score a real bargain. Good luck..... Christopher 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadcx Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share #33 Posted October 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Musotographer said: The M10 is still a superlative camera and I would be very happy still to have mine. (I sold it earlier this year to be able to buy an M10M.) The silent shutter on the M10M (same as the M10-P's) IS a joy, but I don't think it's quite a thousand-pound's-worth of joy. If you're worried about spending so much money (and I would be too - I vividly remember buying my first Leica seven years ago and wondering if I had lost my senses) I wonder if you need to spend so much on the lens? My Rigid Summicron 50 cost me about £800, and even my pre-Asph Summilux 35 only about £1400, and I love them both. If you look at the respected dealers' websites - or better still, visit their stores in person - you can sometimes score a real bargain. Good luck..... Christopher Thanks, that all makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately I'm finding it hard to get to any of the established dealers. I'm in Nottingham so there are no 'local' options. Manchester is out of the question right now due to COVID restrictions, and London is not really a thrilling prospect, but at least theoretically possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musotographer Posted October 21, 2020 Share #34 Posted October 21, 2020 Red Dot Cameras, Richard Caplan and Aperture are all excellent and very helpful, and so in my experience is The Classic Camera. Ffordes is fantastic, but not exactly easy to visit unless you're going to Scotland anyway. If you're coming to London let me know..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadcx Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share #35 Posted October 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Musotographer said: Red Dot Cameras, Richard Caplan and Aperture are all excellent and very helpful, and so in my experience is The Classic Camera. Ffordes is fantastic, but not exactly easy to visit unless you're going to Scotland anyway. If you're coming to London let me know..... Thanks very much - I've not heard of Aperture so I'll check them out. The rest are on a list Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 21, 2020 Share #36 Posted October 21, 2020 No rental options on your side of the pond? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jadcx Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share #37 Posted October 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jeff S said: No rental options on your side of the pond? Jeff No, none that I can find. There's one place that hires out a Q2, but nothing for an M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 21, 2020 Share #38 Posted October 21, 2020 Too bad. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted October 23, 2020 Share #39 Posted October 23, 2020 On 10/20/2020 at 7:14 AM, Mikep996 said: " I have definitely avoided saying that I will never need to buy another camera again" Yeah, be careful with those sort of statements...I've purchased my "Last Motorcycle" 4 times in the last 10 years. About 12 years ago, I had the notion that I could buy a Canon 5D Mark II and 35L and never need to buy another camera again. When I said that to my camera dealer, he scoffed, but I thought that was just vested interest. This was before my M9, of course. How silly of me. 😀 I also bought my 'last watch' about 16 years ago. It's been followed by a vintage Omega, a Grand Seiko, a couple of microbrands, others high and low. I've since given up saying I've bought my 'last' whatever. As for if the M10 is still a good value proposition for Leica, absolutely. Get a secondhand body in good condition from a reputable dealer. Heck, I'm still using my ten year old M9, and I'm still happy with it. If the M10 is as big a jump as it seems, it will definitely be a solid camera for a long time. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2020 Share #40 Posted October 24, 2020 When i bought my minolta x-700, rokkor 58mm f1.4 and md 300mm f4.5 in 1982 i said to the dealer "this is my last camera". Still using it in 2013 but then i went digital. Just shows you can never be sure of these things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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