PG Black nickel Posted September 18, 2020 Share #1 Posted September 18, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Interesting subject that the engraving of leica dealers around the world. In France it was the company Tiranty (Mr Philippe Tiranty) based in Paris, which in the 1925s started to market leitz instruments and later cameras. The engraving served as a guarantee and justification for the purchase of the camera in its shop! The old engravings (Tiranty Paris) were on the base, later on top of the camera between the Leica engravings (ST. Specialities Tiranty). The old engravings (Tiranty Paris) were on the base, later on top of the camera between the Leica engravings (ST specialities Tiranty). Sorry, I only have III A chrome from Tirany, there are the same engravings on the black Leica. The rarest of the Tiranty specialities is the 250 GG reporter. I know they exist, I've never seen one ! Philippe Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/313443-engraving-of-leica-dealers/?do=findComment&comment=4048108'>More sharing options...
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willeica Posted September 18, 2020 Share #2 Posted September 18, 2020 Thanks for getting this under way. This is a thread that a lot of people might wish to add to. I'll start with a Dublin camera engraved by or for the local retailers, Pollock & Co, who were Opticians operating from 50 Grafton Street, Dublin. An example of this engraving can be seen on page 39 of The Leica Collector's Guide by Dennis Laney. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Here are the delivery details for the camera per the Leica Archives 'Model: Leica II Model D. Serial number: 78952 Delivered on: 04/25/1932 Delivered to: Pollock in London Order no .: 2590' Pollocks operated in Dublin, but they ordered through Ernst Leitz 20 Mortimer Street London using their catalogue which was priced in Pounds which were then the common linked currency for Britain and Ireland at that time. Here is a page from a 1938 Ernst Leitz London catalogue which actually came from the Pollock Shop in Dublin showing prewar and postwar prices. It will be note that a Leica II Model D with 5 cm Elmar which had been priced at £27.17.0 in 1938 had been replaced by a IIc with Elmar in 1949 at a price of £49.0.0. Here is a photo of the top of Grafton Street taken circa 1947 showing the Pollock shop slightly more than midway along the group of buildings on the left. Here is a photo of the same building which I took in February 2019 using the camera that had been sold at that address in April 1932, almost 87 years earlier. It is the light coloured building on the right of the photo called, appropriately enough, 'Urban Decay'. It would be nice to know who it was that ordered the camera through Pollocks in 1932. I purchased it from the UK in 2018 after a long search for one of these items, which are known , but are quite rare. I have other engraved/marked cameras to show, but I thought it would be nice to start in my home city. William 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Here are the delivery details for the camera per the Leica Archives 'Model: Leica II Model D. Serial number: 78952 Delivered on: 04/25/1932 Delivered to: Pollock in London Order no .: 2590' Pollocks operated in Dublin, but they ordered through Ernst Leitz 20 Mortimer Street London using their catalogue which was priced in Pounds which were then the common linked currency for Britain and Ireland at that time. Here is a page from a 1938 Ernst Leitz London catalogue which actually came from the Pollock Shop in Dublin showing prewar and postwar prices. It will be note that a Leica II Model D with 5 cm Elmar which had been priced at £27.17.0 in 1938 had been replaced by a IIc with Elmar in 1949 at a price of £49.0.0. Here is a photo of the top of Grafton Street taken circa 1947 showing the Pollock shop slightly more than midway along the group of buildings on the left. Here is a photo of the same building which I took in February 2019 using the camera that had been sold at that address in April 1932, almost 87 years earlier. It is the light coloured building on the right of the photo called, appropriately enough, 'Urban Decay'. It would be nice to know who it was that ordered the camera through Pollocks in 1932. I purchased it from the UK in 2018 after a long search for one of these items, which are known , but are quite rare. I have other engraved/marked cameras to show, but I thought it would be nice to start in my home city. William ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/313443-engraving-of-leica-dealers/?do=findComment&comment=4048142'>More sharing options...
willeica Posted September 18, 2020 Share #3 Posted September 18, 2020 Moving on to Sinclair in London who, like Pollocks in Dublin, would have ordered from Ernst Leitz 20 Mortimer Street. Here are a 1929 Leica I Model A and a chrome 1935 II Model D engraved on the base with James A Sinclair & Co Ltd 9 & 10 Charing Cross London S.W.1. and Janes A. Sinclair & Co. Ltd 3 Whitehall London S.W.1. These were in fact the same location as the street address was changed around late 1929. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Here is the inside of the ever ready case for the II Model D Here is some material found inside the ever ready case which includes some instructions for using the camera and a set of exposure tables which are marked with the Sinclair name and address in tiny writing at the back. The photo of the Sinclair shop in either the 1930s or 1940s was found later. I have a photo of the inside of the exposure tables if anyone is interested in seeing them. Sinclair were involved in camera manufacture including the well known Una models https://collectiblend.com/Cameras/Sinclair/ and the Newman and Sinclair cameras for cinema https://collectiblend.com/Cameras/Newman-&-Sinclair/ I am sure that other members will have photos of Sinclair engraved cameras. They are certainly more common than the Pollock items. William 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Here is the inside of the ever ready case for the II Model D Here is some material found inside the ever ready case which includes some instructions for using the camera and a set of exposure tables which are marked with the Sinclair name and address in tiny writing at the back. The photo of the Sinclair shop in either the 1930s or 1940s was found later. I have a photo of the inside of the exposure tables if anyone is interested in seeing them. Sinclair were involved in camera manufacture including the well known Una models https://collectiblend.com/Cameras/Sinclair/ and the Newman and Sinclair cameras for cinema https://collectiblend.com/Cameras/Newman-&-Sinclair/ I am sure that other members will have photos of Sinclair engraved cameras. They are certainly more common than the Pollock items. William ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/313443-engraving-of-leica-dealers/?do=findComment&comment=4048166'>More sharing options...
PG Black nickel Posted September 18, 2020 Author Share #4 Posted September 18, 2020 The pollock building hasn't changed a lot The Tiranty shop was located on Lafayette street in 1915, 105 years later it is a bank...! Tiranty also engraved the Leica ERCs, published Leica user manuals, etc. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 5 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/313443-engraving-of-leica-dealers/?do=findComment&comment=4048192'>More sharing options...
Matlock Posted September 18, 2020 Share #5 Posted September 18, 2020 My 1932 Leica II. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/313443-engraving-of-leica-dealers/?do=findComment&comment=4048254'>More sharing options...
alemartinezc Posted September 19, 2020 Share #6 Posted September 19, 2020 This is my Leica IIIA Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/313443-engraving-of-leica-dealers/?do=findComment&comment=4048929'>More sharing options...
alemartinezc Posted September 19, 2020 Share #7 Posted September 19, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is my Leica IIIA Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 8 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/313443-engraving-of-leica-dealers/?do=findComment&comment=4048931'>More sharing options...
Michal Kosakowski Posted January 15, 2024 Share #8 Posted January 15, 2024 An interesting I Mod. A with Pablo Ferrando, Montevideo engraving Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Kosakowski Posted January 15, 2024 Share #9 Posted January 15, 2024 And a 'N-L' - engraved IIIb by a Leitz agency Odin from the Netherlands 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jed Posted January 15, 2024 Share #10 Posted January 15, 2024 Hello, that one puzzles me. May be made by a Leica dealer but I doubt it. Camera is a IIIF. Leica did such engraving ? If they did it was uncommon. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/313443-engraving-of-leica-dealers/?do=findComment&comment=4989709'>More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted January 15, 2024 Share #11 Posted January 15, 2024 48 minutes ago, jed said: Hello, that one puzzles me. May be made by a Leica dealer but I doubt it. Camera is a IIIF. Leica did such engraving ? If they did it was uncommon. Does it say 'Germany' on the top as well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jed Posted January 15, 2024 Share #12 Posted January 15, 2024 1 minute ago, Anbaric said: Does it say 'Germany' on the top as well? Top plate has "Germany" like all IIIf top plate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted January 15, 2024 Share #13 Posted January 15, 2024 Yes, I think every one I've seen has it on the top, except the Midland cameras and conversions from IIIc. Seems very odd to have it twice on the same piece of metal. I wonder if some export destination might have required this specific wording? Could be worth checking if the archive records where it was delivered to, in case that provides a clue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jed Posted January 15, 2024 Share #14 Posted January 15, 2024 Will do ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jed Posted January 16, 2024 Share #15 Posted January 16, 2024 According to Leica, that camera was delivered on may 1955 to the city of Bombay, India. The engraving is Leica's. You wrote : "I wonder if some export destination might have required this specific wording?" . Your assumption is probably correct 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted May 19, 2024 Share #16 Posted May 19, 2024 I hadn't noticed this engraving on my 1932 Leica 1 Model E before today (assuming the baseplate to be original of course)! Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 4 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/313443-engraving-of-leica-dealers/?do=findComment&comment=5289776'>More sharing options...
willeica Posted May 19, 2024 Share #17 Posted May 19, 2024 (edited) I have two Sinclair engraved items. The address was changed from Charing Cross to Whitehall in 1929. The shop did not move, the address just changed. Will post examples tomorrow. I’ve just noted that they are at Post 3 above. William Edited May 19, 2024 by willeica 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuliobigazzi Posted May 20, 2024 Share #18 Posted May 20, 2024 This is a ‘Foto Greger Poznan’ standard with factory fitted strap lugs. Entries I’ve seen in the delivery book for this dealer all have the word ‘Oesen’ after the model code. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/313443-engraving-of-leica-dealers/?do=findComment&comment=5290948'>More sharing options...
Anbaric Posted May 20, 2024 Share #19 Posted May 20, 2024 2 hours ago, Giuliobigazzi said: This is a ‘Foto Greger Poznan’ standard with factory fitted strap lugs. Entries I’ve seen in the delivery book for this dealer all have the word ‘Oesen’ after the model code. If I were a customer back then, I wouldn't mind an engraving, but I don't think I'd be so enthusiastic about a brass plaque I'd feel every time I held a camera I'd paid for. So I wonder if that's a camera the shop retained ownership of, perhaps for demos or rentals? Today, of course, it's a nice historical detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Roberts Posted July 13 Share #20 Posted July 13 I noticed this on a Leica II to be auctioned shortly: I have a 1A engraved by Pollock of Dublin, though the engraving differs from that shown near the start of the thread. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/313443-engraving-of-leica-dealers/?do=findComment&comment=5833156'>More sharing options...
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