Albert4321 Posted August 15, 2007 Share #1 Posted August 15, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) New to M8 and have never used C1 as a RAW developer. Question: Are there any pros and cons using C1 vs. ACR? I have need using ACR for years and primarily for batch corrections and develop hundreds on images at time. I also use BreezeBrowers Pro to organize folders/images and portfolio 8 to track images. I used ACR for my 1st M8 photo shoot and it seems going well. But just want to get some info and wonder if I miss anything. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wparsonsgisnet Posted August 15, 2007 Share #2 Posted August 15, 2007 ... Are there any pros and cons using C1 vs. ACR? ... Albert, I had to learn to use C1 when I got my M8 in December and came to like it a great deal. I like the way one does the WB at the beginning, and I like the way C1 does it. I believe both Sean and Guy use and like this software a lot. Unfortunately, my workflow now includes: 1. C1 for WB, cropping, maybe some levels, 2. PS CS3 sometimes for additional tweaking, and for doing the final crop or creating web-aimed images, 3. ImagePrint for printing (I can't stress enough how brilliant this software is!). I am thinking of adding another gb to my computer. You can download the C1 instructions. They are very useful and the sw is really nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted August 15, 2007 Share #3 Posted August 15, 2007 I use C1. Ergonomy is far behind Lightroom or the last ACR version but colors are much better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted August 15, 2007 Share #4 Posted August 15, 2007 Unfortunately, they both offer some advantages and disadvantages, and I think a good argument can be made for owning both and using them as required. A real PITA from a standardized workflow PoV, but gives you all the best image output options. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 15, 2007 Share #5 Posted August 15, 2007 I have been using lightroom lately. But they each have there advantages and disadvantages like Jack said . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted August 16, 2007 Share #6 Posted August 16, 2007 I have the C1 lite that comes with the M8, Lightroom and CS3/Bridge 2/ACR 4.1. I use Bridge-ACR all the time. Tried LR for a time and haven't opened C1 in months, since getting CS3. Pros of ACR, I know how to use it for what I want along with CS3. Cons of C1, Never got the hang of it. More then likely because I found the interface confusing/different from what I'm use to, ACR and Nikon Capture 4.2. I need to take more picture and not learn new software all the time. YMMV and others use C1 all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artichoke Posted August 16, 2007 Share #7 Posted August 16, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I use C1. Ergonomy is far behind Lightroom or the last ACR version but colors are much better. I gave both ACR & Lightroom a good try, but there is little question in my mind that C1 gives the most pleasing results from the M8 the ability to use profiles is very important to me, particularly the excellent BW ones from jfi labs ...I have not found a better way to make monochromes from the M8 Phase One worked closely with Leica & Kodak ...their color profiles are outstanding ...moire is minimized and the noise seems optimized for the sensor the software was bundled with the camera which says something for the close relationship between Leica and Phase One the interface is a bit clumsy, but not all that difficult to master & the results I get with C1 seem more than worth the effort Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evad1962 Posted August 16, 2007 Share #8 Posted August 16, 2007 Albert, I had to learn to use C1 when I got my M8 in December and came to like it a great deal. I like the way one does the WB at the beginning, and I like the way C1 does it. I believe both Sean and Guy use and like this software a lot. Unfortunately, my workflow now includes: 1. C1 for WB, cropping, maybe some levels, 2. PS CS3 sometimes for additional tweaking, and for doing the final crop or creating web-aimed images, 3. ImagePrint for printing (I can't stress enough how brilliant this software is!). I am thinking of adding another gb to my computer. You can download the C1 instructions. They are very useful and the sw is really nice. Hey Bill or anybody. Where can you download the C1 instructions from? Thanks. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbretteville Posted August 16, 2007 Share #9 Posted August 16, 2007 Dave, you can get it here: Phase One Documentation - - C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
citrus Posted August 16, 2007 Share #10 Posted August 16, 2007 This has been a record on JFI profiles seen on the internet - I am not sure how to understand this..... ____________________________________________________________________ JFI Color Labs Incompetent Astroturf This is some of the most incompetent astroturfing I've seen in a while... On a photo.net forum post (thread since deleted by moderator): New BW Workflow for Capture One Amanda Taylor , jan 28, 2006; 10:58 a.m. Have you guys seens this its just purchased and it's awsome and about time! JFI Color Labs Someone pointed out a post presumably by the same person on dpreview.com: Forum Canon EOS-1D/1Ds/5D Subject New B&W Workflow for Capture One Posted by Amanda Taylor Date/Time 3:11:24 PM, Saturday, January 28, 2006 (GMT) Have you guys seen this? JFI BW Workflow for Capture One; JFI Color Labs When I learned the there was a company making B&W workflow solution for Capture Onet he first thing I said was "its about time!" . 3 weeks ago I purchased The JFI BW Toolkit for Cature One and really have to highly recommend this package. This thing has 17 B&W profiles for 15 dollars!!! The traditional Red, Orange, Green, Yellow at 4 levels of intensity and a standard B&W profile that looks very very much like traditional pan films. The output is absolutely over the top. I have been working with PS since version 2 and can tell you that you can't achieve this level of image quality in Photoshop B&W conversion in any flavor. Especially red filter output, you can never get the tonality as smooth as the output from this thing. I just got my final payment on a wedding yesterday I did in B&W digitally. As many of you know this is normally not very feasible. 30 percent of my wedding clients want B&W these days. So I shoot Kodak BW400CN. The package was recommended to me by my printer and has changed the whole equation for me. I never spent a measly 15 bucks more wisely and got this much in return. In a nut shell this is very exiting for me and I am kinda over joyed and thought I would share the info you guys. What can I say, I love an easier way to make money. P.S. this is my first time posting so hello to every one. I have enjoyed reading everyone's post over the years and picked up some great nuggets of info along the way. Thanks to all! Atop this transparent shilling, the domain name jfilabs.com was registered only yesterday, and to a Greg Taylor: Greg Taylor 9521 W. Cluster Ave Tampa, Florida 33615 United States Registered through: GoDaddy.com Domain Name: JFILABS.COM Created on: 27-Jan-06 Expires on: 27-Jan-07 Last Updated on: 27-Jan-06 Administrative Contact: Taylor, Greg godaddy@saltyzoo.com 9521 W. Cluster Ave Tampa, Florida 33615 United States (813) 249-9192 Fax -- Technical Contact: Taylor, Greg godaddy@saltyzoo.com 9521 W. Cluster Ave Tampa, Florida 33615 United States (813) 249-9192 Fax -- Domain servers in listed order: NS1.THEREEFTANK.COM NS2.THEREEFTANK.COM Oh. Florida. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted August 16, 2007 Share #11 Posted August 16, 2007 This has been a record on JFI profiles seen on the internet - I am not sure how to understand this..... ____________________________________________________________________ JFI Color Labs Incompetent Astroturf This is some of the most incompetent astroturfing I've seen in a while... On a photo.net forum post (thread since deleted by moderator): And exactly what does your post, and reference to some other post about JFI, have to do with this thread asking a question about C1 vs ACR. Oh it's your first post and you joined yesterday. Welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelstokes Posted August 16, 2007 Share #12 Posted August 16, 2007 Hi, I am relatively new to the M8 & C1 and very new to the MAC environment. I am also trying Lightroom in conjunction with C1. Is there anywhere I can get some info on the filing structure used by C1 and LR? My photos are currently filed in the 'Pictures' folder under my user name and I can also see 'captured' and 'processed' folders under C1. I would like to use C1 for the initial processing and then LR but I do not fully understand how the system is filing them and which version I should import into LR after C1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evad1962 Posted August 16, 2007 Share #13 Posted August 16, 2007 Dave, you can get it here: Phase One Documentation - - C Cheers for that Carl - appreciate it. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted August 17, 2007 Share #14 Posted August 17, 2007 I have been using lightroom lately. But they each have there advantages and disadvantages like Jack said . I have been a diehard fan of C1 (accurate colors primarily) but understand the difficulties of the workflow. Almost one year ago now, at the Digital Printing Summit in Page AZ, Kevin Raber went ranting on how good the new version 4 of Phase One C1 was going to be and in the near future indeed. It has now been almost a year since these utterings and suddenly Phase One is mysteriously silent about the new software. Let's face it. Adobe is the real leader in this area and perhaps Lightroom still has some flaws but it is in the market, doing really well and with the long beta period with feedback from us real users is already a very viable tool. Wonderful that they bought other companies and merged their products into Lightroom (at no cost to those of us who had already purchased the competitors........yea Adobe) I will certainly give a long look to the newest version of C1 if and when available but I believe that Phase One squandered a real market leadership position and surrendered the market essentially to ACR 4.0 and Lightroom Just MHO Woody Spedden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 17, 2007 Share #15 Posted August 17, 2007 I completely agree with you Woody , promises don't hold water when we need to process our files. Working software does. I love C1 but i want version 4 now and not a year from now. LR and C1 have there quirks about them but i have been going back and forth testing the two out and with some changes in LR you can get some great results. And I think Adobe tweaked the Leica DNG files in the latest software since 1.102 so ARC and LR have gotten way better and if c1 does not come to market soon with Version 4 than they may have alot of switching folks. C1 simply needs to come to market quickly here, there promises are WAY overdue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted August 17, 2007 Share #16 Posted August 17, 2007 I agree with both of you -- I have not been a big fan of Lightroom's un-intuitive and poorly laid out UI, but am slowly getting over its quirks... I can honestly say after lots of work with them, the current versions of LR and ACR generate a better detailed file from the M8 DNG than C1 can at any setting. I know this comment will probably upset a few folks, but I am not going to get into a flame war over it and that's all I will say for now. IMO C1 still has color management and workflow advantages, and still generates a very nice file. But the overall color and detail improvement with the last ACR 4 and LR 1.1 revisions were huge for the M8 DNG. I'm going to try and work up a better camera calibration for LR/ACR on the M8, with and wthout IR filters, next week. It is a huge PITA to do properly, but I think it's time to see if if there is anything more to glean from the M8 files. Hopefully I can have it ready for our Yosemite participants to use. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newyorkone Posted August 17, 2007 Share #17 Posted August 17, 2007 Color - C1 Workflow - LR If you shoot in weird lighting without an IR filter then C1 is a must with Jamie's profiles. LR color is off and especially weird for reds. For all other instances, LR is easier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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