fursan Posted August 14, 2007 Share #1 Posted August 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) anyvbody use the M8 B/W shooting mode. ? if not why not? of course, we all are aware of the usual raw color and subsequent conversions to b/w via the various PS or LR or other sw functions. if most don't use in-camera b/w, why do you think M8 has that functionality? curious, as i seem to like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kbingman Posted August 14, 2007 Share #2 Posted August 14, 2007 anyvbody use the M8 B/W shooting mode. ? I actually use it all the time, but with DNG/Jpeg. I like getting the BW previews when I am shooting bw and sometimes the Jpeg are better than my raw files (well, rarely). It is also a psychological thing, if I am shooting and want B/W, I don't want to see it in color first. I for one am glad that the M8 has a B/W mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth_c Posted August 14, 2007 Share #3 Posted August 14, 2007 I like it for the same reasons (reviewing in B&W). I just wish you could shoot B&W DNG only (without the JPG). That was a nice feature of the R-D1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gid Posted August 14, 2007 Share #4 Posted August 14, 2007 I tried it out recently as an experiment. I always shoot raw, but decided to brave the B&W Jpeg. Shot with a CV Nokton 50. OK, but had to do some PP to get them where I wanted. If you were short on card space (500+ Jpegs versus 187 raw on a 2gb card) it would be OK. Gid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted August 14, 2007 Share #5 Posted August 14, 2007 Are you in Berlin? . Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/31066-in-camera-bw/?do=findComment&comment=329695'>More sharing options...
vic vic Posted August 14, 2007 Share #6 Posted August 14, 2007 all those nonesense talks about b/w digital.........?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? b/w = film............... film film film film film film film b/w = film b/w if u dont use film............. CALL it MONOCHROM what ever.......... dont f***ing call it B/W .......... Meditations July 2007 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/31066-in-camera-bw/?do=findComment&comment=329731'>More sharing options...
Gid Posted August 14, 2007 Share #7 Posted August 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Are you in Berlin? . No, the UK. Shots were taken a week or so ago in the Ashmolean museum in Oxford - are there two of them? Gid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted August 14, 2007 Share #8 Posted August 14, 2007 Interesting. They have the same scar on the chest. I wonder if the one which was here went travelling, or if one is a copy? If I remember, I will try to find out. The one here is in the Pergamon Museum, IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted August 14, 2007 Share #9 Posted August 14, 2007 I think the bw mode is satisfactory, however you do throw away a lot of information. Better to shoot RAW and use one of the many methods of bw conversion available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted August 14, 2007 Share #10 Posted August 14, 2007 I think the bw mode is satisfactory, however you do throw away a lot of information. Better to shoot RAW and use one of the many methods of bw conversion available. Hi John, It would be good to have you elaborate on the info that you throw away and whether you can see it in the print and, of course, what size print. I do digital monochrome (happy Vic?) every which way depending on my mood and I think that there are some trade offs. PP conversion gives channel flexibilty for color to grayscale tone control, but high ISO in-camera JPEG gives a better noise rendition (IMO). I think shooting in-camera monochrome is fun and a bit scary, like shooting a roll of B&W film and having to use the same developer on the whole roll. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpattinson Posted August 14, 2007 Share #11 Posted August 14, 2007 b/w = film Ah - actually I think you'll find that b/w is paper... and even then it depends Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted August 14, 2007 Share #12 Posted August 14, 2007 all those nonesense talks about b/w digital if u dont use film............. CALL it MONOCHROM what ever.......... dont (Bleep)call it B/W .......... Nice monochrome samples Vic. Once you scan B/W film, you have digital monochrome, too. There may come a day when the gap between film & digital monochrome narrows, but the differences in print quality (rendition) between digital and silver may remain, just lik the differences between silver and platinum/paladium prints. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimcollum Posted August 14, 2007 Share #13 Posted August 14, 2007 Nice monochrome samples Vic. Once you scan B/W film, you have digital monochrome, too. There may come a day when the gap between film & digital monochrome narrows, but the differences in print quality (rendition) between digital and silver may remain, just lik the differences between silver and platinum/paladium prints.Bob what you'll find now are that the top Platinum/paladium printers have moved to digital negatives. They find the results easier to control, and frankly, superior to what they were getting with film negatives Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdi Posted August 14, 2007 Share #14 Posted August 14, 2007 I use it whenever I need ISO2500, looking at the blotchy color noise is too painful... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth_c Posted August 15, 2007 Share #15 Posted August 15, 2007 all those nonesense talks about b/w digital.........?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? .... Vic, why post this stuff? You knew what you were going to get when you saw the thread title. I like your photographs and like to continue seeing them here but everytime you post like this I just want to add you to the ignore list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted August 15, 2007 Share #16 Posted August 15, 2007 what you'll find now are that the top Platinum/paladium printers have moved to digital negatives. They find the results easier to control, and frankly, superior to what they were getting with film negatives Thanks for pointing that out, Jim. I have read some articles on this approach, but didn't realize it had moved along that far. I have a friend that was trying this approach for silver prints, because he has a few clients that wouldn't put money into digital prints. I need to check in with him to see what happened. So, Vic, whip out a few platinum prints from your M8 and get back to us on the subject of B/W.... Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimcollum Posted August 15, 2007 Share #17 Posted August 15, 2007 Thanks for pointing that out, Jim. I have read some articles on this approach, but didn't realize it had moved along that far. I have a friend that was trying this approach for silver prints, because he has a few clients that wouldn't put money into digital prints. I need to check in with him to see what happened.So, Vic, whip out a few platinum prints from your M8 and get back to us on the subject of B/W.... Bob almost all of my print output is platinum. George Tice, Dick Arentz, Sandy King, Cy DeCosse, Kerik Kouklis, are all using digital negatives for their work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm23221 Posted August 15, 2007 Share #18 Posted August 15, 2007 I love shooting at a high ISO in B&W jpegs. However, if your shooting only in jpegs and the photo would have been nicer in color you're screwed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norm_snyder Posted August 15, 2007 Share #19 Posted August 15, 2007 I prefer to shoot B&W in camera, but shoot jpeg + Raw. This allows me to use the jpegs on site, if I want, to preview. I tend not to chimp, but will review, as this evening, to check epxosure, etc. Later, the jpegs are used for proofing, previewing, making contact sheets, etc., and then the selected frames are converted either in RawDeveloper or CS3. I prefer the results from Raw files, as do most others, but in a pinch, or if you run short of card space, jpegs will be usable. For comparison, the following two shots were shot on the same evening, both with 75mm Summilux, about f2. The first is a converted raw file, although this was converted to jpeg for the web. Converted in Camera Raw with no sharpening in conversion or PS, iso was 1250. The second shot of the bass player was shot the same evening with HP5+, pushed in T-max developer [not my favorite, but I had some fresh] to iso 1600, and scanned on a Flextight scanner. Convenience, flexibility, decent [if not perfect] results, the opportunity to preview and where necessary, reshoot, all favor digital for me. On the other hand, Dan Burkholder's platinum prints from digital negs [in turn made, I believe, by scanning 4x5] are pretty impressive when seen in person. But then, he is dealing with very different kinds of subject matter. NS Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/31066-in-camera-bw/?do=findComment&comment=330013'>More sharing options...
jimcollum Posted August 15, 2007 Share #20 Posted August 15, 2007 . On the other hand, Dan Burkholder's platinum prints from digital negs [in turn made, I believe, by scanning 4x5] are pretty impressive when seen in person. But then, he is dealing with very different kinds of subject matter. NS Dan starts out with digital files. shoots Canon.. but that doesn't reduce how impressive they are! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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