Bart D Posted June 5, 2020 Share #41 Posted June 5, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 22 hours ago, Dennis said: ... I decided to buy a perpetual license. So the software is mine and not need to pay subscriptions. Updates are included. ? Only the minor updates until the next version comes out. When you want to stay current, you need to pay an upgrade fee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bart D Posted June 5, 2020 Share #42 Posted June 5, 2020 8 hours ago, Rokkor said: After testing the solutions a bit more I think the ranking would be: ... 2. DxO Photolab ... no databas .. ... DxO does use a database, searchable on a number of parameters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 5, 2020 Share #43 Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) Correct. Updates are included, upgrades not. I'm just interested on keeping updated with bugs fixed, and new features like it just happened a few weeks ago. It was a tremendous update, I really enjoyed the Before/after new feature. But i know that once it will come out a new version, I have to pay (less). I guess it's fair, and in my way to see things, more affordable. With streaming channels, and currently monthly general payments, I think it's a lot to pay also for editing. Perpetual rules 🙌 Edited June 5, 2020 by Dennis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokkor Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share #44 Posted June 5, 2020 vor 25 Minuten schrieb Bart D: DxO does use a database, searchable on a number of parameters. True. It was not so obvious from the interface. Corrected that. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokkor Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share #45 Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) So in the end I went for Capture ONE. Found it the most convincing of the LR alternatives. Thanks to all of you for your contributions to the discussions. Edited June 5, 2020 by Rokkor text edit 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 5, 2020 Share #46 Posted June 5, 2020 36 minutes ago, Rokkor said: So in the end I went for Capture ONE 🙌 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart D Posted June 5, 2020 Share #47 Posted June 5, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 hour ago, Dennis said: Correct. Updates are included, upgrades not. I'm just interested on keeping updated with bugs fixed, and new features like it just happened a few weeks ago. It was a tremendous update, I really enjoyed the Before/after new feature. But i know that once it will come out a new version, I have to pay (less). I guess it's fair, and in my way to see things, more affordable. With streaming channels, and currently monthly general payments, I think it's a lot to pay also for editing. Perpetual rules 🙌 At least Phase one gives you an option to choose. I choose the perpetual license type as well based on a simple calculation of estimated number of months between versions and the cost of an upgrade. Upgrading was cheaper than the rent times the period between versions. I have made the upgrade from v9-v10-v11-v12-v20(=13). So far, I've still payed less than I would have had I started v9 with a subscription. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 5, 2020 Share #48 Posted June 5, 2020 It makes sense. Nowadays, we need to pay for everything. At least for editing, I already paid 🙌 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richardgb Posted June 8, 2020 Share #49 Posted June 8, 2020 When I changed my camera at the end of last year, there was an option to buy C1 (on a perpetual licence with upgrades) at half price, so I made the jump. he special offer applied to different makes of camera, not just one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokkor Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share #50 Posted June 8, 2020 That sounds good. I really like the programme so far. Easy to use and great results. I only wonder if I can transfer the photos to the MacBook internal harddrive and after finishing the editing Export them to an external SanDisk Extreme pro Ultra ssd drive. Or would it make more sense to transfer and edit on the external SSD straight away? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted June 8, 2020 Share #51 Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Rokkor said: That sounds good. I really like the programme so far. Easy to use and great results. I only wonder if I can transfer the photos to the MacBook internal harddrive and after finishing the editing Export them to an external SanDisk Extreme pro Ultra ssd drive. Or would it make more sense to transfer and edit on the external SSD straight away? Everything depends on you best practice. It makes sense for me to transfer the photos to edit (DNG I guess) to your definitive location. Then you import the photos in the Catalog (IMPORT TO - DESTINATION - CURRENT LOCATION) then editing, and exporting wherever you want to. You can also import, and working with your files off line with no need to have the SSD connected all the time. You only need it once you're ready to export. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rokkor Posted June 9, 2020 Author Share #52 Posted June 9, 2020 Hi Dennis, yes, most likely DNG. I like this idea of being able to edit with the preview images. To have the SSD connected all the time would have been suboptimal. But if this is not needed. This might be the way to go. Thanks again and kind regards! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted July 2, 2020 Share #53 Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) I have been using ON1 Raw for close to 2 years now. Initially it was a bit buggy but version 2020 is very good. Some advantages: Similar UI to Lightroom unlike other products like C1, Luminar etc. ON1 has a perpetual licensing moidel and is not a cloud subscription model. Good for those like me who don't trust the cloud storage concept. It has most of the Lightroom features plus some of the ones in Photoshop as well (available as filters that can be applied). All edits are non-destructive. There is no dedicated database like Lightroom in which all photos are imported to. Photos can be edited where they reside. It allows import of Lightroom settings but some subsequent tweaking may be needed. The latest 360 feature allows edit of photos on multiple devices. Does require subscription to the ON1 cloud for storage of only those photos which you need to edit. Good for 'on-the-fly' edit of iPhone photos and then allows further edit when in front of the computer. On the whole, I like it. Edited July 2, 2020 by rramesh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted July 2, 2020 Share #54 Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, rramesh said: ON1 has a perpetual licensing moidel and is not a cloud subscription model. Good for those like me who don't trust the cloud storage concept. What's the link between subscription model and cloud storage ? I despise the subscription model for a number of reasons but if they make you use their own cloud storage systems too that would indeed be a another good reason to stay away. Edited July 2, 2020 by ianman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
convexferret Posted July 2, 2020 Share #55 Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, ianman said: What's the link between subscription model and cloud storage ? I despise the subscription model for a number of reasons but if they make you use their own cloud storage systems too that would indeed be a another good reason to stay away. None really, but people tend to mix the two together. By accident or not I'm not sure. Talking about Lightroom in particular, cloud storage is an extra that you can add into your subscription, but is not necessary to use the apps. In my case i do have it and have my entire library in the cloud, so I can access it from my iPad or Mac. But you can set it to keep a duplicate on your local disk and I do. Edited July 2, 2020 by convexferret Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted July 2, 2020 Share #56 Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, ianman said: What's the link between subscription model and cloud storage ? I despise the subscription model for a number of reasons but if they make you use their own cloud storage systems too that would indeed be a another good reason to stay away. Maybe this will be clearer. Perpetual License Model You buy the current version and you have the right to use it until obsolescence. This is ON1's model (Current product is ON1 Raw 2020). This was also how Lightroom and other Adobe products started. You store all data on your system. Cloud storage may be charged for a fee. (ON1 does this for their 360 add-on product so that multiple computers can edit and share edits. This is not mandatory for ON1 Raw 2020 users). You get all enhancements and some support free for the first year. You can opt to buy future license enhancements if you choose to do so. Note that it will be your responsibility to install software updates and keep your software current. Subscription Model There may or may not be cloud hosting. You pay per period of use, usually monthly or annually for a discount. Think Adobe Creative Cloud and Microsoft 360. When you stop paying the subscription fee, you will no longer be able to use the software. Users don't feel the pinch as it's a small sum every month to pay. Great for trying out product. When cloud hosted, the date is stored remotely on a cloud provisioned storage area. Version updates are all transparent, as you will at all times use the latest software release. Edited July 2, 2020 by rramesh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted July 2, 2020 Share #57 Posted July 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, rramesh said: Maybe this will be clearer. No. I fully know and understand the differences between perpetual license and subscriptions. What I was asking about was: "ON1 has a perpetual licensing moidel and is not a cloud subscription model. Good for those like me who don't trust the cloud storage concept.", which seems to imply that a subscription and cloud storage are intrinsically linked. For example I use Amazon Glacier cloud storage and a NAS for local/global access to my photos/files. But I have no software subscriptions. Perpetual just makes far more sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rramesh Posted July 2, 2020 Share #58 Posted July 2, 2020 47 minutes ago, ianman said: No. I fully know and understand the differences between perpetual license and subscriptions. What I was asking about was: "ON1 has a perpetual licensing moidel and is not a cloud subscription model. Good for those like me who don't trust the cloud storage concept.", which seems to imply that a subscription and cloud storage are intrinsically linked. For example I use Amazon Glacier cloud storage and a NAS for local/global access to my photos/files. But I have no software subscriptions. Perpetual just makes far more sense to me. Actually licensing and storage need not be intrinsically linked. I believe you can subscribe to Capture One but store photos locally on computer or attached drive togeher with the edits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted July 2, 2020 Share #59 Posted July 2, 2020 Well yes.... precisely ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marchyman Posted July 2, 2020 Share #60 Posted July 2, 2020 8 hours ago, rramesh said: When you stop paying the subscription fee, you will no longer be able to use the software. I'd change that to "you will no longer be able to use all features of the software". I believe Adobe, for example, will still let you use Lightroom browse your library and even export images, but will not let you use the develop module to make edits. Not sure what other vendors with subscription models do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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