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[JeffWright]

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16 hours ago, ron777 said:

I have yet to do so, as the S1R has not begun to ship in the US, but I am poised to let the SL go.  Did you receive a reasonable amount for your SL?

Started shipping two days ago...mine arrives imminently.

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[LeicaGuy2014]

Mine shipped from BH but won’t arrive until next week! They sent it slow speed! Grrrrr....

[relms]

My copy of the camera arrived from Adorama at my office around noon today, which in and of itself is impressive since it did not ship from NY or NJ until yesterday evening.  I opened the box at my office, and charged the battery while attempting to see enough clients this afternoon to replenish my bank account.  

The package presentation is impressive and what I would have expected.  Maybe not quite up to Leica standards, but close.  

After getting home I have had an hour or so to get my hands on the camera and take a few indoor shots.  So far I have tested only with the Summicron-SL 75.  Autofocus is excellent in Pinpoint and zone modes, but maybe not so good in Face/Eye/Body Detection mode. Hopefully that can be improved once I get familiar with the camera various settings. I have not had an opportunity to try Tracking or any of the other AF modes.

The shutter sound is quiet and extremely pleasant.  It has a very soft release, which will take some getting accustomed to, and in the meantime I will be taking shots I had no intention of taking.  

This camera will require an investment in time and patience to learn its capabilities and to take full advantage of all its features.  I am willing to put forth the effort, but I am not ready to put my SL up for sale just yet.

[Chaemono]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb relms:

The shutter sound is quiet and extremely pleasant.

Try slower shutter speeds. See what you think of the shutter sound then. 😁

[Andrew Gough]

Panasonic S1r unboxing

[thighslapper]

6 hours ago, relms said:

The shutter sound is quiet and extremely pleasant.  It has a very soft release, which will take some getting accustomed to, and in the meantime I will be taking shots I had no intention of taking.  

I'm still doing it after 3 weeks ...... you need to develop a really light touch as the transition from half press to release is tiny. 

It's the one mechanical aspect of this camera I would modify if I was Panasonic ......

I'm keeping my SL as the two cameras both have their strengths and weaknesses and a 2nd body is always handy. When the SL2 appears it will be a toss up which of the two 'old' cameras is replaced. 

Unlike the SL which is relatively simple and intuitive it takes a good while to work out what is actually necessary for everyday use with this camera .... and what needs deselecting or disabling to ensure you don't get stuck with some obscure setting you have no idea how to escape from. There is a whole lot of stuff I will never ever use. 

Edited April 5, 2019 by thighslapper

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vor 10 Minuten schrieb thighslapper:

I'm still doing it after 3 weeks ...... you need to develop a really light touch as the transition from half press to release is tiny. 

It's the one mechanical aspect of this camera I would modify if I was Panasonic ......

The very sensitive behavior of the shutter release is annoying me too at my Panasonic G9. I like the more robust shutter release of my GH5 much better.
Do not know why Pana makes it so light. I got a lot of unwanted shots with G9…

[Chaemono]

Am 3.4.2019 um 09:53 schrieb jrp:

100Mpx is useful only on the tripod; hand-held, you are just going to be recording noise.

A dude over on dpreview by the name of Lee Jay says that a 100 MPx FF sensor can easily be shot handheld. Here’s a quote from his post:

”Of course it can, and it's not even a big deal.

Remember, 25MP at 200mm is the same as 100MP at 100mm, or 400MP at 50mm.

Can you shoot at 25MP at 200mm-equivalent?  I sure hope so since I regularly shoot 20MP images at 960mm equivalent handheld of high-speed moving subjects!  20MP at 960mm equates to 7,372.8MP at 50mm.”

His 53,800 posts on dpreview do lend some credibility to his argument. 

 

[hillavoider]

I was keen for this upgrade but since Leica has now given me another (3rd) brand new body with 12 months warranty I should really use it a little as they are now not worth much on the second hand market  even in pristine condition 

 

Hey Chaemono what does shooting at 960 millimeters actually mean?

 

 

Edited April 5, 2019 by hillavoider

[Chaemono]

You can ask Lee Jay here: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62515750

[Chaemono]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb thighslapper:

I'm keeping my SL as the two cameras both have their strengths and weaknesses

+1. The Panasonic cameras blow Highlights more easily. At least my S1 does. In high contrast scenes the SL is better. 

[relms]

8 hours ago, Chaemono said:

Try slower shutter speeds. See what you think of the shutter sound then. 😁

I will do that.  Could it be that my hearing is getting worse? 🤔

[Chaemono]

No, the sound is very nice, at fast shutter speeds. At slow speeds...you’ll see or hear rather. 😁

[thighslapper]

Some more info from playing around in the last few days .......

The Novoflex AF adapter (Nikon version) allows aperture changes but not AF. It reports in the exif 'Nikon lens adapter for SL' and the focal length of the sigma 135/1.8 as 138mm but no lens name/details. It advises 'change to MF' and works very well with the focus peaking on the S1R. This is at least better than the CL where it just produces a black screen. 

The function of 'Focus Bracketing' is rather obscure ..... you can select step distance between +1 and +10 but doesn't really indicate what the step size is ..... and the number of images taken ..... plus whether they start at the closest focus position and then move further, or whether alternately beyond and before the point of focus. 

It all takes a fair bit of trial and error to see how it pans out in practice ..... focussing 1/3 of the way into a scene with 3 images and +10 set at 24mm seems to produce 3 images focussed as close as possible, at the focus point and at infinity (with the second setting option). Done with a single button press it's very handy ..... as long as you have found out the settings suitable for the focal length and aperture you are using ..... 

There is also the option of white balance and aperture bracketing ..... although I can't really see any point of the former (using RAW) and not a lot of use for the latter. 

 

[helged]

42 minutes ago, thighslapper said:

Some more info from playing around in the last few days .......

The Novoflex AF adapter (Nikon version) allows aperture changes but not AF. It reports in the exif 'Nikon lens adapter for SL' and the focal length of the sigma 135/1.8 as 138mm but no lens name/details. It advises 'change to MF' and works very well with the focus peaking on the S1R. This is at least better than the CL where it just produces a black screen. 

The function of 'Focus Bracketing' is rather obscure ..... you can select step distance between +1 and +10 but doesn't really indicate what the step size is ..... and the number of images taken ..... plus whether they start at the closest focus position and then move further, or whether alternately beyond and before the point of focus. 

It all takes a fair bit of trial and error to see how it pans out in practice ..... focussing 1/3 of the way into a scene with 3 images and +10 set at 24mm seems to produce 3 images focussed as close as possible, at the focus point and at infinity (with the second setting option). Done with a single button press it's very handy ..... as long as you have found out the settings suitable for the focal length and aperture you are using ..... 

There is also the option of white balance and aperture bracketing ..... although I can't really see any point of the former (using RAW) and not a lot of use for the latter. 

 

The Novoflex adapter is, in this respect, more 'advanced' than Leica's S-to-L adapter:

"The Leica S to SL adapter doesn't allow AF nor aperture settings, the camera doesn't preclude use and the usual work around of manual focus does work, I didn't test the aperture work around of stop-down removal from an S body."

From

 

[AlanYWM]

I just tested my S1R with my R 280mm f4 APO via Leica adapter. For some unknown reason, I had to use electronic shutter to get sharp images. When I switched to mechanical shutter, the images were soft even at 1/50sec on a solid tripod. I could get sharp images with 1/2sec shutter speed using electronic shutter. I also spent the afternoon testing the S1R with several WA M lenses and I am quite pleased with what I am getting out of this camera. It is a keeper for me. Much to discover and learn in the coming weeks.

[helged]

32 minutes ago, AlanYWM said:

I just tested my S1R with my R 280mm f4 APO via Leica adapter. For some unknown reason, I had to use electronic shutter to get sharp images. When I switched to mechanical shutter, the images were soft even at 1/50sec on a solid tripod. I could get sharp images with 1/2sec shutter speed using electronic shutter. I also spent the afternoon testing the S1R with several WA M lenses and I am quite pleased with what I am getting out of this camera. It is a keeper for me. Much to discover and learn in the coming weeks.

Just curious: IBIS activated? (I ask since for many systems, like Nikon D5 & D850, stabilisation may deteriorate the image quality when on tripod).

Edited April 5, 2019 by helged

[LeicaGuy2014]

S1R in the house! Nocti mounted and waiting for the battery to charge!

 

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[ron777]

1 hour ago, AlanYWM said:

I just tested my S1R with my R 280mm f4 APO via Leica adapter. For some unknown reason, I had to use electronic shutter to get sharp images. When I switched to mechanical shutter, the images were soft even at 1/50sec on a solid tripod. I could get sharp images with 1/2sec shutter speed using electronic shutter. I also spent the afternoon testing the S1R with several WA M lenses and I am quite pleased with what I am getting out of this camera. It is a keeper for me. Much to discover and learn in the coming weeks.

 

2 hours ago, helged said:

The Novoflex adapter is, in this respect, more 'advanced' than Leica's S-to-L adapter:

"The Leica S to SL adapter doesn't allow AF nor aperture settings, the camera doesn't preclude use and the usual work around of manual focus does work, I didn't test the aperture work around of stop-down removal from an S body."

From

I guess that it depends upon what you plan to do with the image in terms of PP.  That said, and while I've only had a few hours to experiment with the recently arrived S1R, I see a difference in operability, EVF, ergonomics and of course, it has great IBIS which is much more effective than that of my Sony a7rIII.  Furthermore, the Leica's 24-90mm's OIS is no match for IBIS.  I'm sure that there is much more to be revealed as I delve into the manual 

 

[thighslapper]

4 hours ago, helged said:

Just curious: IBIS activated? (I ask since for many systems, like Nikon D5 & D850, stabilisation may deteriorate the image quality when on tripod).

The manual says switch off IBIS for tripod use.

However the Panasonic Rep I talked to at the launch said it was unnecessary and actually helpful as it damped down micro-vibrations. 

Take your pick ....