S1 &S1R Question

[jdlaing]

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I am shocked no one has asked this question.

 

 

What bag to carry them in?

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[Jeff S]

Someone has, just not here...

 

Jeff

[ron777]

The S1/S1R has roughly the same dimensions as the SL—the EVF may add 1/8 to 1/4" in height.  I am still awaiting the US release date, but I am planning to use the same Oberwerth Munchen case that I use for my SL.  Alternatively, if you like leather, a Chinese company produces an inexpensive bag called the Russell that accommodates the SL and, I assume, the S1/S1R, but possibilities abound.

Edited March 27, 2019 by ron777

[AlanYWM]

It is a pity the Lumix S1R does not support Leica's R Lenses through the adapter. Wide angle M lenses also do not fair that well in the corners. 

[ron777]

4 hours ago, AlanYWM said:

It is a pity the Lumix S1R does not support Leica's R Lenses through the adapter. Wide angle M lenses also do not fair that well in the corners. 

I understand that many Leica users, myself included, have a  longstanding investment in older, M and R lenses, but what I do not understand is why there is so much handwringing over the compatibility or lack thereof of these lenses with newer, more technologically advanced cameras, and that includes the now long in the tooth SL, which has its issues with some of those lenses as well.  Of course, it would be nice if all of one's beloved, older lenses functioned on brand new bodies with the same level of usability as their much older counterparts but, IMO, such desires are unrealistic.  You want absolute compatibility for your M lenses, buy a new M body, or learn to live with, or work around the occasional imperfect results generated by a non dedicated body, and that includes the SL and any non Leica camera for which there is an M adapter.

Edited March 29, 2019 by ron777

[jdlaing]

Native lenses on a dedicated body. Period.

[pico]

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21 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

Native lenses on a dedicated body. Period.

Or the personal fortitude to adapt, cope, enjoy.

 

[ron777]

Thank you, your wise sentiments—both of you—are appreciated.

[AlanYWM]

1 hour ago, ron777 said:

I understand that many Leica users, myself included, have a  longstanding investment in older, M and R lenses, but what I do not understand is why there is so much handwringing over the compatibility or lack thereof of these lenses with newer, more technologically advanced cameras, and that includes the now long in the tooth SL, which has its issues with some of those lenses as well.  Of course, it would be nice if all of one's beloved, older lenses functioned on brand new bodies with the same level of usability as their much older counterparts but, IMO, such desires are unrealistic.  You want absolute compatibility for your M lenses, buy a new M body, or learn to live with, or work around the occasional imperfect results generated by a non dedicated body, and that includes the SL and any non Leica camera for which there is an M adapter.

And that is precisely why I am not buying the S1R. I am very happy adapting my M, R and Canon lenses on Sony's latest cameras. In some cases, the a7RIII is clearly much better than my M10 😊 Is it perfect? Obviously not. So is the M10. In my book, there is no such thing as a perfect camera. Every camera has its strength and weakness. 

[jdlaing]

Blasphemy. Leica M is the perfect camera.

[Bonnitaet]

I prefer the Artisans because they've a zip on top. 

[AlanYWM]

On 3/29/2019 at 7:15 PM, AlanYWM said:

It is a pity the Lumix S1R does not support Leica's R Lenses through the adapter. Wide angle M lenses also do not fair that well in the corners. 

I have to take that back because for some unknown reasons, when I re-tested the S1R with the R 28-90mm via Leica adapter (previously used the R 35-70mm), the exposure was spot on and the camera could detect the focal length selected. The images were very satisfactory to me. With wide angle M lenses like the 21mm summi, there was obviously vignetting because the Vignetting function was disabled on the camera. Wide open, the corners were blurry but I felt it was slightly better than the a7RIII. IMO, it is still useable when stopped down to like f4.0 upwards.

[Leicaiste]

On 3/29/2019 at 4:21 PM, ron777 said:

  Of course, it would be nice if all of one's beloved, older lenses functioned on brand new bodies with the same level of usability as their much older counterparts but, IMO, such desires are unrealistic.  You want absolute compatibility for your M lenses, buy a new M body, or learn to live with, or work around the occasional imperfect results generated by a non dedicated body, and that includes the SL and any non Leica camera for which there is an M adapter.

It is maybe not absolute compatibility (no program or T mode, no aperture in the finder) but the ROM R lenses work on the SL as well as on the R8/R9 or DMR.

And they are all much more compact than their L counterparts. 

And many M lenses like the 18, 21, 24, the Noctiluxes, Summilux 75, Apo 90 or the 135’s are in my opinion easier to use and as good on the SL as on the M10 (or better because they are in focus or better framed).

I my opinion, only the M 28/35/50 Summicron and Summilux are equal or superior paired with the M10.

By the way, it was already like that with the M film cameras in respect to the R.

Edited April 5, 2019 by Leicaiste

[ron777]

On 3/27/2019 at 11:38 AM, jdlaing said:

I am shocked no one has asked this question.

 

 

What bag to carry them in?

I can confirm that the S1R fits perfectly, with 24-90 Vario-elmar attached, inside the Oberwerth Munchen, and there is room to spare.

[ron777]

As I've previously noted, the S1R fits perfectly within the Oberwerth Munchen, even with Leica Vario-elmar 24-90mm lens attached. However, all bets are off once the Panasonic battery grip is added to the equation.  Anyone aware of a shoulder carry, messenger type case that will accommodate this combination?  With the grip attached, the height of the camera is roughly 6-6.3 inches.

[LeeR]

No question about it my favorite bag is the Lowepro Pro70AWII Toploader. I never bother with straps and wear a toploader and go in and out of it when shooting. Keeps it safe and secure but instant access. Love the protective thick padding. It fits like a glove with the 24-105 on it

[ron777]

Thank you for the reply. I own a Toploader, and it works fine for a single purpose shoot, but there is no place for even one additional lens.  On the other hand, I have found the Oberwerth Munchen and or the Porto to be the perfect bags for my style of shooting. However, neither of these messenger style bags can accommodate the S1R/S1 with a battery grip attached.  The quest continues.