sillbeers15 Posted March 8, 2019 Share #21 Posted March 8, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 18 minutes ago, jaapv said: Is there any factual basis for these points? Leica is only a $300 million turnover company. You seriously think Leica has the financial resources and know how to develop the SL’s AF from scratch? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chaemono Posted March 8, 2019 Share #22 Posted March 8, 2019 Ah, straw man fallacy. Nice try. 😁 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 11, 2019 Share #23 Posted March 11, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 5:20 AM, Alistairm said: BHPhoto still saying 4 April... hope they arrive earlier! Seems like 4 April is the date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share #24 Posted March 13, 2019 Dealer update .... Panasonic UK say there has been a minor delay but UK dealers should get stock tomorrow for delivery to customers Friday Hopefully should have something to play with at the weekend and take to the NEC Photography Show. First new toy for 2 years ..... which is remarkably restrained ..... for me, that is ..... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistairm Posted March 13, 2019 Share #25 Posted March 13, 2019 3 hours ago, thighslapper said: Dealer update .... Panasonic UK say there has been a minor delay but UK dealers should get stock tomorrow for delivery to customers Friday Hopefully should have something to play with at the weekend and take to the NEC Photography Show. First new toy for 2 years ..... which is remarkably restrained ..... for me, that is ..... You get to start the image thread! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share #26 Posted March 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, Alistairm said: You get to start the image thread! Just found and downloaded a copy of the S1R user manual 519 pages. As someone who in the past has never had to read a user manual, I find this a little worrying and intimidating. I fear my Leica exclusive diet for the last 10 years has not left me best prepared for an assault by Japanese technology .... The Sony A7 went back in it's box after a week and was eventually condemned to eBay. This time I have to last out till the SL2 appears. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 13, 2019 Share #27 Posted March 13, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) I know I won’t be getting/keeping an S1R. Too many buttons and the EVF is smaller. But on the image thread you might start, please, one that shows the DR and low light capabilities of the sensor ideally vs. the SL. The 47 MPx resolution in web images is irrelevant in most situations. Over at the Q2 board, there is one reviewer who is enthralled by the IQ and DR of the Q2 sensor and who didn’t feel the same way when he reviewed the Q. Another user shows similar low light capabilities as the Q in terms of noise. And think that test wasn’t done properly. I would be surprised if the DR of this sensor isn’t spectacular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 13, 2019 Share #28 Posted March 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, Chaemono said: I know I won’t be getting/keeping an S1R. Too many buttons and the EVF is smaller. But on the image thread you might start, please, one that shows the DR and low light capabilities of the sensor ideally vs. the SL. The 47 MPx resolution in web images is irrelevant in most situations. Over at the Q2 board, there is one reviewer who is enthralled by the IQ and DR of the Q2 sensor and who didn’t feel the same way when he reviewed the Q. Another user shows similar low light capabilities as the Q in terms of noise. And think that test wasn’t done properly. I would be surprised if the DR of this sensor isn’t spectacular. +1, and on par with Q2, I would think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted March 13, 2019 Share #29 Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chaemono said: I know I won’t be getting/keeping an S1R. Too many buttons and the EVF is smaller. But on the image thread you might start, please, one that shows the DR and low light capabilities of the sensor ideally vs. the SL. The 47 MPx resolution in web images is irrelevant in most situations. Over at the Q2 board, there is one reviewer who is enthralled by the IQ and DR of the Q2 sensor and who didn’t feel the same way when he reviewed the Q. Another user shows similar low light capabilities as the Q in terms of noise. And think that test wasn’t done properly. I would be surprised if the DR of this sensor isn’t spectacular. Just curious. In what way is S1R's EVF smaller than, I assume you are comparing to the sL? Just realized that you are probably referring to the EVF's image magnification difference; 0.80 (SL) vs 0.78 (S1R). Doesn't appear to be significant, particularly when one considers the S1R's higher EVF resolution. And a review of the currently available user manual reveals that the EVF's brightness and tint can be adjusted— a welcome function—as well as that of the LCD. Perhaps the SL2 will improve upon the SL and offer similar settings Edited March 13, 2019 by ron777 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 13, 2019 Share #30 Posted March 13, 2019 vor 52 Minuten schrieb ron777: Just curious. In what way is S1R's EVF smaller than, I assume you are comparing to the sL? Just realized that you are probably referring to the EVF's image magnification difference; 0.80 (SL) vs 0.78 (S1R). Doesn't appear to be significant, particularly when one considers the S1R's higher EVF resolution. And a review of the currently available user manual reveals that the EVF's brightness and tint can be adjusted— a welcome function—as well as that of the LCD. Perhaps the SL2 will improve upon the SL and offer similar settings See #129 and #130 here: https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294223-hopelist-for-sl2/page/7/?tab=comments#comment-3700828. It's smaller. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted March 13, 2019 Share #31 Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chaemono said: See #129 and #130 here: https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/294223-hopelist-for-sl2/page/7/?tab=comments#comment-3700828. It's smaller. A tad confusing but, in all honesty, the SL's EVF reviews, prior to my purchase of same, had suggested that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. That said, I had been accustomed to the Sony a7RIII's EVF, as well as that of GFX50s, and I was not overwhelmed by that of the SL. That's not to say that it isn't good, just not, as superlative as the hype would have led me to believe. Therefore, if the S1R's EVF is at least as useable as the that of the SL, and likely better, I'll be a happy camper. Have to wait until sometime next month to find out. Edited March 13, 2019 by ron777 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted March 13, 2019 Share #32 Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) vor 46 Minuten schrieb ron777: A tad confusing but, in all honesty, the SL's EVF reviews, prior to my purchase of same, had suggested that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. That said, I had been accustomed to the Sony a7RIII's EVF, as well as that of GFX50s, and I was not overwhelmed by that of the SL. That's not to say that it isn't good, just not, as superlative as the hype would have led me to believe. Therefore, if the S1R's EVF is at least as useable as the that of the SL, and likely better, I'll be a happy camper. Have to wait until sometime next month to find out. The Sony VF chip that the S1/S1R use in 2019 has 12.6 mm diagonal length, the Epson VF chip that the SL used in 2015 has 16.5 mm diagonal length. So, it's a significant size difference and even four years later is not matched by Sony. Also, let's not presume that Epson is standing still. I doubt the SL2 will appear with the same 2015 VF chip. That would be old tech. 😀 Edited March 13, 2019 by Chaemono Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted March 13, 2019 Share #33 Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) Yes, mathematically speaking, there is a significant difference in the dimension as described. But if I am to assume that the same Sony chip is also employed in the a7rIII, I am equally led to believe that something more than chip size is responsible for what we are seeing through the viewfinder , since, IMO, there is not that same percentage difference (chip size) between the two cameras EVFs (SL and a7rIII). That said, I am less concerned about the technical structure of a given camera and care more about how it fulfills my needs. I do find use for higher resolution as it pertains to cropping ability, and a high resolution EVF bodes well for manual focusing. I also find IBIS to be an essential element for my older, less than steady hands. The SL2 may address the a foregoing when it eventually becomes available, as I suspect that Leica will have to offer something more than the red dot to entice the buyers. And if history is any indication, it will likely have the same sensor or a version of that used in the new Q. But I will reserve any definitive statements until I've had a chance to use the forthcoming Panasonic. But if it lives up to the hype, and can handle the M lenses reasonably well—perhaps not as effectively as the SL or SL2—I will keep my SL and M lenses and say good-bye to the very costly Leica bodies. Edited March 13, 2019 by ron777 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted March 14, 2019 Author Share #34 Posted March 14, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, ron777 said: But if it lives up to the hype, and can handle the M lenses reasonably well—perhaps not as effectively as the SL or SL2—I will keep my SL and M lenses and say good-bye to the very costly Leica bodies. SR1 arrives first thing tomorrow (had the tracking details), so I should have some preliminary answers this weekend. Can't find any reviews to date where anyone has tried anything apart from the SL zooms. Remains to be seen if the M & R adapters work as they do on the SL ... and whether sub 50mm lens peripheral performance is worse or not. Edited March 14, 2019 by thighslapper 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron777 Posted March 14, 2019 Share #35 Posted March 14, 2019 Lucky guy, those of us in the third world wannabe country of the USA must wait until sometime next month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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helged Posted March 15, 2019 Share #37 Posted March 15, 2019 17 minutes ago, thighslapper said: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! The Panasonic packing looks Leica-like (or is it Leica that mimics Panasonic...?). The wrapping aside, it will be interesting to see how the sensor/machinery works with the SL-optics! I got a call from my local dealer today, so I guess I will have a S1R in the not-to-distant future. Looking forward to your findings, in crisp, early morning spring-light, possibly...? 😎 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share #38 Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, helged said: The Panasonic packing looks Leica-like (or is it Leica that mimics Panasonic...?). The wrapping aside, it will be interesting to see how the sensor/machinery works with the SL-optics! I got a call from my local dealer today, so I guess I will have a S1R in the not-to-distant future. Looking forward to your findings, in crisp, early morning spring-light, possibly...? 😎 Hah ! ...... It's gale force winds here today with heavy rain every half an hour or so. Yes .... packaging and the camera are rather Leicaesque ..... it actually feels lighter than the SL which I think is an illusion due to the fact it is a bit bulkier and clearly isn't as solid as the SL's single machined bit of metal. As you can use it while charging the battery I've had a chance to play with the 90-280 (which is the first lens to hand) ..... and all works exceptionally well. The EVF is basically optical in quality ...... if you didn't know you would never realise it was a digital display. Everything is quick and snappy .... including AF ..... and the OIS on the 90-280 with this camera is remarkably good. So far I am optimistic. Buyers remorse will no doubt set in after the weekend when I have discovered the inevitable 'Leica does this better' irritations that I am sure lurk somewhere in the camera (*) ........ (*) like the CL they have put the image review button top left which is a nuisance ...... I hope I can reassign it to something more convenient. Will dig in the manual later .... Edited March 15, 2019 by thighslapper 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caissa Posted March 15, 2019 Share #39 Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) On March 14, 2019 at 3:07 PM, thighslapper said: SR1 arrives first thing tomorrow (had the tracking details), so I should have some preliminary answers this weekend. Can't find any reviews to date where anyone has tried anything apart from the SL zooms. Remains to be seen if the M & R adapters work as they do on the SL ... and whether sub 50mm lens peripheral performance is worse or not. In some videos some testers have used a few SL and M lenses, with the M to L adapter from Leica. So we "know" that it will work. But it is not clear if the lenses have been "found"/"recognized" correctly, the testers had not been former SL users. They shot a few photos with the 0.95 Nocti, an old (silver) 50, but nobody has tried any wide-angle lenses. And nobody has made any serious tests. So I am also looking forward to your tests. Edited March 15, 2019 by caissa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted March 15, 2019 Author Share #40 Posted March 15, 2019 (edited) M lenses work but are not recognised ..... which if you think about it logically is unsurprising ..... Panasonic has no incentive to include the firmware to recognise the 6 bit coding generated by the adapter or a table decoding what it means. You just get a pop up choice of what focal length you want the lens to be coded as. I suspect you will have to rely on LR lens profiles to correct any issues. SL lenses seem to function exactly as on the SL .... with the appropriate exif data. As there is no LR RAW converter as yet it is difficult to be 100% sure that processing is exactly as expected ...... unfortunately Silkypix is a complete dog of a program so I am stuck with OOC JPG for now. Both JPG and TIF conversions only call up a list of lens profiles in LR which are clearly meant for drones and mobile phones .... Edited March 15, 2019 by thighslapper 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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