Chaemono Posted October 28, 2018 Share #101 Posted October 28, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Let's do two more. Nikolaus Gross was murdered by the Nazis on the 23th of January 1945 after being convicted of treason. He was a father of seven. α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 500 f/2.0 @1/60 sec. with LR adjustments of Vignetting +30, Exposure +1.00, Shadows +100. ARW here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g798692192-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=TrEhoww0nyTpB5LEHXah3v-fqaBthHLamtXLZf8hUl0= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/2.0 @1/60 sec. with LR adjustments of Vignetting +30, Exposure +0.90, Shadows +100. DNG here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g1012134541-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=-O0B35oRtNAzfGmiOKz9yHR7rQopzhG8MbL2-G9P0zc= Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/2.0 @1/60 sec. with LR adjustments of Vignetting +30, Exposure +0.90, Shadows +100. DNG here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g1012134541-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=-O0B35oRtNAzfGmiOKz9yHR7rQopzhG8MbL2-G9P0zc= ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290339-exposing-for-highlights/?do=findComment&comment=3621427'>More sharing options...
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Chaemono Posted October 28, 2018 Share #102 Posted October 28, 2018 And two more. α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 500 f/2.0 @1/30 sec. with LR adjustments of Vignetting +30, Exposure +1.00, Shadows +100. ARW here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g875690477-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=sWu0MeVWWxmxE7Q8_H38R9LXV5IbkvQJ77OjF9OOLA0= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/2.0 @1/30 sec. with LR adjustments of Vignetting +30, Exposure 1.00, Shadows +100. DNG here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g748771904-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=pUePxdKxysiD-OGvatAhdF6-ImT0RoiHgWP3SDC4m0Y= Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/2.0 @1/30 sec. with LR adjustments of Vignetting +30, Exposure 1.00, Shadows +100. DNG here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g748771904-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=pUePxdKxysiD-OGvatAhdF6-ImT0RoiHgWP3SDC4m0Y= ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290339-exposing-for-highlights/?do=findComment&comment=3621446'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 28, 2018 Share #103 Posted October 28, 2018 I can hear people begging 'please, more.' Sure, your wish is my command. α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 500 f/2.0 @1/30 sec. with LR adjustments of Vignetting +30, Exposure +2.00, Shadows +100. ARW here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g761343848-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=ShJZSFvB3iGCVkYaqYDWwpTMCl9ijHN6KvUo01kJ_wg= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/2.0 @1/30 sec. with LR adjustments of Vignetting +30, Exposure 2.00, Shadows +100. DNG here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g547389407-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=yiWRKxdllDkXIvKjC2UVb4oL9AUx1fuy4TIZ0Qog9iw= Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/2.0 @1/30 sec. with LR adjustments of Vignetting +30, Exposure 2.00, Shadows +100. DNG here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g547389407-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=yiWRKxdllDkXIvKjC2UVb4oL9AUx1fuy4TIZ0Qog9iw= ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290339-exposing-for-highlights/?do=findComment&comment=3621459'>More sharing options...
Michael Naylor Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share #104 Posted October 28, 2018 A little bit of post never does any harm... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290339-exposing-for-highlights/?do=findComment&comment=3621464'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 28, 2018 Share #105 Posted October 28, 2018 I knew you’d love to play around with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Naylor Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share #106 Posted October 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Chaemono said: I knew you’d love to play around with them. That' what the darkroom was for, so now we use software. All RAW files need editing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 28, 2018 Share #107 Posted October 28, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I agree. Don't you just love it when people post links to Raw files? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Naylor Posted October 28, 2018 Author Share #108 Posted October 28, 2018 This is from a Leica Q, f/1.7 1/125sec ISO 800. Manual everything, using highlight detection in the viewfinder. The highlights are little over overexposed, but what the hell. No idea if this is the same sensor as an M10 (if anyone knows, please tell me). Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! . 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! . ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290339-exposing-for-highlights/?do=findComment&comment=3621491'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 28, 2018 Share #109 Posted October 28, 2018 No, it’s not. The Q has the same sensor as the SL which will get a new one next Spring in the form of the SL2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 1, 2018 Share #110 Posted November 1, 2018 You got to love clean, controlled Highlights. DNG file here: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g586879411-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=6BvZdxOtR659Gfe4n3qPIvSOHSqo1r1VXDR0ag_Xp8Y= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290339-exposing-for-highlights/?do=findComment&comment=3623686'>More sharing options...
snz Posted November 2, 2018 Share #111 Posted November 2, 2018 I wish this @Chaemonodude would just be quiet. Way too much derailing the discussion (with his useless comparison), which was 'Exposing for Highlights' on the M10. The M10, as much as the Q, is terrible when you have a bright light source (Sky, Sun, etc pp) in the frame. Both cameras WILL blow out the highlights if you are not careful (hence you will NEED to expose for highlights in high contrast situations). Sony's cameras handle such situations (high contrast scenes) better from my experience. @mkenaylor the M10 will pretty much behave like the Q, you will have a bit more room in post processing as the M10 saves more details in the shadows. Apart from that there isn't much you can do. I switched from Sony to Leica a few years ago (first the Q, since last year the M10) since then I try to avoid such situations where the Q/M10 clearly falls a bit short. But it's not a deal breaker, it's you need to know the quirks of your camera. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Naylor Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share #112 Posted November 2, 2018 1 hour ago, snz said: I wish this @Chaemonodude would just be quiet. Way too much derailing the discussion (with his useless comparison), which was 'Exposing for Highlights' on the M10. The M10, as much as the Q, is terrible when you have a bright light source (Sky, Sun, etc pp) in the frame. Both cameras WILL blow out the highlights if you are not careful (hence you will NEED to expose for highlights in high contrast situations). Sony's cameras handle such situations (high contrast scenes) better from my experience. @mkenaylor the M10 will pretty much behave like the Q, you will have a bit more room in post processing as the M10 saves more details in the shadows. Apart from that there isn't much you can do. I switched from Sony to Leica a few years ago (first the Q, since last year the M10) since then I try to avoid such situations where the Q/M10 clearly falls a bit short. But it's not a deal breaker, it's you need to know the quirks of your camera. Thank you for your reply and I agree with you (and others) that we could do without Chaemono derailing the topic. I've ordered my M10-P today and look forward to it arriving some time next week. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 2, 2018 Share #113 Posted November 2, 2018 ‘Please, stop posting links to Raw files, we can’t take it no more.’ Guys, we’ve been through this before. Stop whining and take it like a man, or a woman. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted November 2, 2018 Share #114 Posted November 2, 2018 vor 2 Stunden schrieb snz: I wish this @Chaemonodude would just be quiet. Way too much derailing the discussion (with his useless comparison), which was 'Exposing for Highlights' on the M10. The M10, as much as the Q, is terrible when you have a bright light source (Sky, Sun, etc pp) in the frame. Both cameras WILL blow out the highlights if you are not careful (hence you will NEED to expose for highlights in high contrast situations). Sony's cameras handle such situations (high contrast scenes) better from my experience. @mkenaylor the M10 will pretty much behave like the Q, you will have a bit more room in post processing as the M10 saves more details in the shadows. Apart from that there isn't much you can do. I switched from Sony to Leica a few years ago (first the Q, since last year the M10) since then I try to avoid such situations where the Q/M10 clearly falls a bit short. But it's not a deal breaker, it's you need to know the quirks of your camera. Well, I do not like too much when you attack users that contribute here. You might agree or not but you can consider the arguments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 2, 2018 Share #115 Posted November 2, 2018 No worries. I know they are just playing with me. In reality they lust after more Raw file comparisons “Exposing for Highlights.” 😀 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 2, 2018 Share #116 Posted November 2, 2018 Oh, I forgot to mention. I got to do another dude over at the SL board a favor first. He asked for Raw file comparisons Sony/Zeiss Planar FE 50/1.4 vs. 50 Summilux-SL. He is first in line so those here lusting for more will have to wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrid Posted November 5, 2018 Share #117 Posted November 5, 2018 (edited) On 10/28/2018 at 11:11 AM, sebben said: I can post a comparison between the M10 sensor and the ALEV III if anyone is interested to see just how weak the M10 is in the highlights... I'd like to see that. I got my M10 just after I put my Alexa EV up for sale and therefore I no longer have access to it. I may be able to do a test with an ALEXA Mini at work... I wonder if Arri has a patent on the dual gain read architecture, because nobody else does this. Fuji had their SuperCCD, which had separate receptors for a highlight specific exposure, but that'a about it. Edited November 5, 2018 by thrid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebben Posted November 5, 2018 Share #118 Posted November 5, 2018 I’m waiting for the delivery of the M10D, once I have it I can do a test. I don’t have a raw liecense with my Amira so it might be better if you did the test on the Mini. Maybe there is an option for the screenshot to be saved in arri raw like on the EV. Arri must have a patent because what other camera has 14+ stops at ISO 800? None. Hardly even have that at base ISO to begin with! Especially when you start looking at stops over middle grey... wouldn’t it be nice if arri made a stills camera... still excited to see how the Zeiss ZX1 will turn out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted November 5, 2018 Share #119 Posted November 5, 2018 Good. I’ll keep benchmarking the M10 against that DxOMark score 100 sensor camera α7R III and we’ll keep this thread going until at Christmas. 😀 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted November 5, 2018 Share #120 Posted November 5, 2018 On 11/2/2018 at 12:52 PM, snz said: I wish this @Chaemonodude would just be quiet. Way too much derailing the discussion (with his useless comparison), which was 'Exposing for Highlights' on the M10. The M10, as much as the Q, is terrible when you have a bright light source (Sky, Sun, etc pp) in the frame. Both cameras WILL blow out the highlights if you are not careful (hence you will NEED to expose for highlights in high contrast situations). Sony's cameras handle such situations (high contrast scenes) better from my experience. @mkenaylor the M10 will pretty much behave like the Q, you will have a bit more room in post processing as the M10 saves more details in the shadows. Apart from that there isn't much you can do. I switched from Sony to Leica a few years ago (first the Q, since last year the M10) since then I try to avoid such situations where the Q/M10 clearly falls a bit short. But it's not a deal breaker, it's you need to know the quirks of your camera. Hi There Well, the sensor on the Q and the SL have nothing to do with the sensor in the M10. However - the highlights problem on the M10 (which I do acknowledge) is really limited to the ‘pull’ 100 ISO (which is why in a recent firmware upgrade the base ISO for auto ISO has been increased to 200). Basically, if you’re in high contrast situations then you had better shoot at 200 ISO. Here’s a link: Blown Hightligts in the M10 All the best 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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