ArtZ Posted July 14, 2007 Share #41 Posted July 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) ArtZ, Rob A & ho_co, I am quite amazed you found a way to reveal the vertical lines and the pattern of spots. I opened the images in PS/CS3, zoom in to 100% and did all of kinds of things to it but I cannot see the vertical lines. The only spots I saw are several large black spots , which are clearly dust particles. Tell us what you did to help us follow your steps. Thanks! Arthury, I don't have those problems with my M8. I think Rob's camera has a problem. That's the reason I told him to contact Leica. I believe the problem (I'm talking about the vertical line on the right of the image) is due to the CCD sensor and/or the way the image is transferred to the image processor. I think that M8 is a wonderful marketing sucess story but in terms of engineering is a bit disappointing. Leica finnancial situation was very difficult for the last few years. They had to do something quickly. I heard a story that Metz -who makes Leica flashes- didn't provide any flash to Leica because they had problems to get paied. I don't know if this si really true but I remember Leica dealers (before the M8 came out) having difficulties because they didn't have many Laica products to offer to their customers. WIth the M8 things seems to be much better. Leica is selling again lots of bodies, lenses and accessories. The M8 marketing success has help Leica to recover from the previous situation. We will probably see soon a new digital M model (M9 probably) which will be in accordance with Leica historical quality. I do have hesitate before buying the M8. I'm happy with it but I take it as a non finished product. Some bodies seems to work fine (my second one, for instance) but others have problems and must return to Solms. A good firmware version will improve reliability (I do think there're big problems concerning actual firmware) but, I think, we must wait until the next digital body to get what we all are expecting from Leica. Once more, this is not a criticism. All majors companies have known problems like this in their sucess story (Macintosh, Microsoft, Intel...). As far Leica Camera AG accepts that there're problems with M8 and their Customer Care departement keeps helping and supporting us (as we support them) for me is fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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arthury Posted July 14, 2007 Author Share #42 Posted July 14, 2007 Not a problem to share your opinions about the M8. It would be nice to read some positive comments from you about the M8? Are you an officially registered owner of an M8? Are you not happy with it? Here's another happy shot of mine ... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Zeiss 21mm/2.8 ZM Biogon; Perspective adjusted in PS/CS3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Zeiss 21mm/2.8 ZM Biogon; Perspective adjusted in PS/CS3 ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/28737-stretching-the-m8/?do=findComment&comment=305843'>More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted July 14, 2007 Share #43 Posted July 14, 2007 Not a problem to share your opinions about the M8. It would be nice to read some positive comments from you about the M8? Are you an officially registered owner of an M8? Are you not happy with it? Here's another happy shot of mine ... [ATTACH]45580[/ATTACH] Zeiss 21mm/2.8 ZM Biogon; Perspective adjusted in PS/CS3 Arthur, first of all I've seen your pictures on Photos by Arthur Yeo - photo.net They're great! I love your work. As I said previously my second M8 works fine (I'm a registered user), the first one died after 24 hours use. I'm very glad to be a M8 owner. I used for many years a M6 until it was stolen, so buying a M8 ment to buy also a SUMMICRON-M 28 f/2, SUMMICRON 50 f/2, APO-SUMMICRON 90 f/2 ASPH (plus 1x25 magnifier to be able to focus correctly), the WATE and accessories... In other words quitte à lot of money (about 17.000 euros or 23.500 USD if you prefer). When I see things in a pragmatical way, I think my M8 investment is not really worthy BUT I believe that Leica will come up soon with another M body and my investment in Leica glass will not be lost. I think some people here don't like to hear anything else than compliments concerning the M8. Leica knows what's wrong with the M8s but if everybody says "I'm really happy with my M8", Leica doesn't need to improve it. In the M8, the good things are not simply good but the best. On the other hand, the bad things are really very bad. As I said before, Leica had to hit the market and they made the M8. I hardly can't understand how Leica engineers couldn't forsee many issues (which are now major conception problems) from the begining. Sometimes I have the impression Leica is patching the camera since it came out in the market last year. Meanwhile, I get the pleasure of using an M body again but I don't think the price I paid suits to the quality I get. Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthury Posted July 14, 2007 Author Share #44 Posted July 14, 2007 [...] I think some people here don't like to hear anything else than compliments concerning the M8. Leica knows what's wrong the M8s but if everybody says "I'm really happy with my M8", Leica doesn't need to improve it. [...] The point I want to make is that the M8 is a product and like all engineered products: there are trade-offs. And, trade-offs means there are somethings that the product can do very well and there are some it cannot do as well. I have not seen any perfect camera in the market ... yet. One fine example is the latest Canon 1DMk3 with its slew of focusing issues under bright daylight situations. Sharing your problems and seeking help from fellow Leica-philes is more than welcomed and that's what we're here for: we share the same interests. But, if one would to consistently post issues, nit-pick and exaggerate every little proven or even unproved problems, the postings becomes a drag to read and they also lower the poster's credibility. A question may come to mind: is the poster legitimately seeking for help or is he hired by competitors to "attack" and bring down the pleasure of using that product? I am not saying you are one of these but suffice it to say that there are companies out there spending money on this tactic. Enough said and I'm sure you know what I am talking about. Cheers, ArthurY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtZ Posted July 14, 2007 Share #45 Posted July 14, 2007 Arthur, Well, I can tell you I'm not one of those. I do not really what to think about your post. On one side, I can understand your point. On the other hand, I have the feeling if I don't say M8 is the best digital camera... I'm not welcome here. I see... You have vexed me. Never mind. No comments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted July 14, 2007 Share #46 Posted July 14, 2007 Manuel, don't worry. Criticism is welcome, in general. One problem with reading criticism now is that many of us went through a difficult time around Christmas, and every little detail was discussed until we were all fed up with it, and just wanted to move on. Sometimes now when new M8 owners get their cameras, and post their comments, it seems like no one wants to hear about the problems. That is only half true, it is just that we have been through this so many times already. It is not that we cannot accept that the M8 is perfect. I think I speak for many or most when I say this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted July 14, 2007 Share #47 Posted July 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) ArtZ, Rob A & ho_co,I am quite amazed you found a way to reveal the vertical lines and the pattern of spots. Arthur-- I am also amazed at the spots and vertical lines, but I had nothing to do with their supposed revelation. Earlier (http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/leica-m8-forum/29068-stretching-m8-2.html#post304322) I asked Rob for an explanation of his procedure to produce these artifacts, and he didn't respond to the question. I hope he answers you. Your images stand on their own. If one has to put them through whatever hoops he supposedly used to discover these "flaws," then in my mind the flaws are at the least inconsequential and probably nonexistent. Notice as well that in response to my question as to whether he regularly performed such operations on digital images, he responded, "... I look at a lot of m8 images, because I am interested in where the m8 is at." I think for the moment we have to take his 'discoveries' with a grain of salt. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted July 14, 2007 Share #48 Posted July 14, 2007 On one side, I can understand your point. On the other hand, I have the feeling if I don't say M8 is the best digital camera... I'm not welcome here. I see... Manuel-- Pardon my butting in, but you sound very defensive. Your response reminds me of my president's attitude--"If you're not for us, then you're against us." Very few people on the forum ask that anyone claim the M8 to be the 'best digital camera.' There is no such thing as a 'best digital camera.' Most people here own more than one digital camera and are more than willing to compare their capabilities and flaws. Frankly, I was surprised and a bit offended that Arthur lumped you, Rob and me into a category. I think you've defended your point of view quite well and see no reason for you to take offense at Arthur's comments. The matter of value for dollar is always personal and has no absolute answer. How Leica overlooked some of the M8's problems is a question many of us ask. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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