MM V1 - MM246 or a second M10 in Monochrome mode?

[jpk]

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Can you already tell us something about B&W from M10 vs the CCD Monochrom files? I would be curious to see comparison photos...

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[M10Alpine]

Can you already tell us something about B&W from M10 vs the CCD Monochrom files? I would be curious to see comparison photos...

 

I can take a few sample pictures for you

[jpk]

yes please!!!

[Herr Barnack]

I currently own a M10 and a Q

 

The quickest and easiest solution would be to shoot with your M10 and convert the files to B&W in post.  While that is an abomination to some, it is one of several options. 

 

At the end of the day, I would still buy a new MM 246 if that is feasible.

[algrove]

I have the refurbished MM1 and an M10 mainly for color captures.

 

In an article on LULA regarding comparison between the Phase 100MP color and 100MP B&W digital backs the same almost holds true here for the Leica Monochrom even though it is not an achromatic camera.

 

I write in LULA "What is unique about the P1 Achromatic configuration is that not only is the Bayer filter absent, but also there is no normal IR cut filter either, simply a clear glass filter. So what does this do for image captures? Because each capture is pure in that data is not passed through color filters nor an IR cut filter, it has more resolution and produces a smooth area of tone where all pixels capture similar tones making for a smoother and cleaner range of tonal quality versus the same IQ3100 color sensor even when converted to a B&W image due to Bayer and IR filter distortions. By smoothing B&W tonality one has the ability to enlarge these images much more than the color IQ3100 equivalent because it captures extreme detail with fidelity per pixel. Even when using various filters on this ADB, there is no change in the densities that can tend to give us pixel degradation or posterization with color sensors due to interpolation of incoming light whereas the ADB requires no interpolation of data as each pixel captures reality, one-to-one and without distortion."

 

The term ADB stands for Achromatic Digital Back.

Edited January 20, 2018 by algrove

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I can take a few sample pictures for you

Can you please post some images?

[wilfredo]

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Today I picked up a brand new M Monochrome (Silver) from a Leica dealer, with a 5 year warranty and zero pictures taken, original sensor but Leica will replace for free when needed. Breaking the box on this will have to wait until my birthday. 

 

- I followed some much appreciated advice in this thread. I will off course keep my M10 and Q, I would never be with out the M10. I was actually thinking of buying a second M10 to have as Monochrome, but I wanted a real Monochrome. Its so special and as some pointed out, its about the mindset as well.   

 

I opted for the M Monochrome fro two resons. 1 the CCD sensor. I have never had a Leica with a CCD sensor and secondly because I have a silver M10 I liked the idea of a silver Monochrome. 

 

So now I just have to overcome any hesitation to start shooting with this "new" old camera. Amazing feeling.

 

Thanks

 

It's been a while since you posted this, and I'm wondering how you're enjoying your new/old Monochrom experience? I see lots of "heady" explanations and reasoning when it comes to a camera choice on these forums, but for me, it's ultimately a heart experience, which is something I get from my Monochrom type I (I've been missing it since it went off to Leica for a sensor replacement).

[Guest tofu_man]

It's been a while since you posted this, and I'm wondering how you're enjoying your new/old Monochrom experience? I see lots of "heady" explanations and reasoning when it comes to a camera choice on these forums, but for me, it's ultimately a heart experience, which is something I get from my Monochrom type I (I've been missing it since it went off to Leica for a sensor replacement).

 

 

Sorry for jumping in, Wilfredo, but your reference to a 'heart experience' resonated with me.  

 

I don't have an M10 but I had a M246 as well as an MM1 along with an M240 and a couple of M9s which I sold, and more recently bought another MM1. I did this after looking through literally thousands of my photos, and decided that my MM1 and M9 photos had more 'emotional' content for me. As you say, it's a 'heart experience', and it's different for all of us. This isn't something I can describe; it's a personal kind of thing, I guess.  And I'm not going to claim that it's a CCD vs. CMOS difference!

 

It's the same with lenses. There are some we love for reasons that are emotional rather than to do with resolution etc etc.

 

cheers,

[wilfredo]

Sorry for jumping in, Wilfredo, but your reference to a 'heart experience' resonated with me.

 

I don't have an M10 but I had a M246 as well as an MM1 along with an M240 and a couple of M9s which I sold, and more recently bought another MM1. I did this after looking through literally thousands of my photos, and decided that my MM1 and M9 photos had more 'emotional' content for me. As you say, it's a 'heart experience', and it's different for all of us. This isn't something I can describe; it's a personal kind of thing, I guess. And I'm not going to claim that it's a CCD vs. CMOS difference!

 

It's the same with lenses. There are some we love for reasons that are emotional rather than to do with resolution etc etc.

 

cheers,

So glad you jumped in. I can resonate with what you''ve shared here. When I observe my favorite photographs, hanging on my walls, the one's that continue to draw my eye and give me that special feeling, they are mostly photographs shot with my MM type 1, and prior to that, photographs done with my M8. Some things are driven from within, and providing an explanation is futile.

 

Cheers!

Edited July 17, 2018 by wilfredo