arthury Posted June 27, 2007 Share #1 Posted June 27, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Registered and uploaded 3 images, signed my life (rights) away 9 times for 3 images. Finally, when I was done, I clicked to look at my albums, they are all empty. OK, where did they go, I guess only LFI would know. And, the interface is realllllly funky. The signing away of rights seems rather extreme. Essentially, if I upload any images to LFI Gallery, they have the rights to sell and use it for whatever they want. Isn't that worse than penny stock houses? It's highway robbery, if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 27, 2007 Posted June 27, 2007 Hi arthury, Take a look here LFI Online - Gallery. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
ken_tanaka Posted June 27, 2007 Share #2 Posted June 27, 2007 Soo... why did you elect to participate with LFI's "gallery" at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 27, 2007 Share #3 Posted June 27, 2007 See the response on this other thread from the LFI people. Not as draconian as you think. http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/barnacks-bar/27727-lfi-gallery.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 27, 2007 Share #4 Posted June 27, 2007 But I must admit I had the same trouble uploading, still my gallery is empty. The interface could indeed be more intuitive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 29, 2007 Share #5 Posted June 29, 2007 Managed to upload now; my fault for offering too large files. The gallery does not give an error window in that case. When it works it is still a bit elaborate, one has to scroll down each time to find the submit button and each time one has to confirm the agreement, three times per picture. But it works, and it is a very nice thing and a relief to be able to display one' s photographs at 1024 Kb. It really makes a difference in display quality. The teething troubles are no more than niggles. Plus: LFI called me on the telephone after reading on this forum and was really interested in my comments as a beta-tester as they put it. The first time ever a website did that and a very pleasant surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucek Posted June 29, 2007 Share #6 Posted June 29, 2007 Is there an English language link? I didn't see one but I may have missed it. Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 29, 2007 Share #7 Posted June 29, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is there an English language link? I didn't see one but I may have missed it. LFI Gallery - Home Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucek Posted June 29, 2007 Share #8 Posted June 29, 2007 Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted June 30, 2007 Share #9 Posted June 30, 2007 LFI Gallery - Home Please read the agreement carefully. Last thing I want to hear six months from now is a bunch of people whining on the Forum about how LFI has reproduced their image for publication hither and yon without any compensation to you the photographer. caveat emptor Thanks. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 30, 2007 Share #10 Posted June 30, 2007 Last thing I want to hear six months from now is a bunch of people whining on the Forum about how LFI has reproduced their image for publication hither and yon without any compensation to you the photographer. Not an issue, Allan ... on the LFI Gallery - Fehler page, it's clearly noted: Please remember that you alone are entitled to the copyrights Also, what can they do with less than 640x480 files at 72dpi? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhsimmonds Posted June 30, 2007 Share #11 Posted June 30, 2007 Simon, I have to say that there are some very sophisticated interpolation software programs available that are quite capable of producing good prints from small files, so as Alan already mentioned, "Caveat Emptor". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted July 1, 2007 Share #12 Posted July 1, 2007 They just have to get the language straight on their up-front agreement. It's confusing as hell the way they're interpreting it and the straightfoward statement of it--complete contradiction IMO. I'm staying away until it's clearly stated both places that I'm the owner of the images and I'm going to determine who sees them, and where, and for what price (even if it's none!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted July 1, 2007 Share #13 Posted July 1, 2007 Simon, I have to say that there are some very sophisticated interpolation software programs available that are quite capable of producing good prints from small files, so as Alan already mentioned, "Caveat Emptor". 'Genuine Fractals' comes to mind. Search Brent Nicastro's posts for the one earlier this year about his scary revelations of what it could do with one of those "for the web, so it's not going anywhere" postings. Thanks. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 2, 2007 Share #14 Posted July 2, 2007 Please read the agreement carefully. Last thing I want to hear six months from now is a bunch of people whining on the Forum about how LFI has reproduced their image for publication hither and yon without any compensation to you the photographer. caveat emptor Thanks. Allan You surely mean the following paragraph.... "At the same time, you are granting IDC Corporate Publishing GmbH a right to use your digital photographs. This right of use includes the open-ended right to copy, distribute and to make publicly available any such contents as part of the Internet offering by the LFI Galerie on a worldwide basis. This right of use is granted free of charge." ... and alright, it is mistakable, so that's what it's supposed to mean: We are allowed to use your work for publishing it in this gallery - this means that after uploading it, no one can complain that it is now shown on this website. It definetely doesn't mean we could use it for any other reasons or get the copyright. In the contrary I would recommend uploading pictures in 72 or 96 dpi only to reduce the risk of illegal download. And of course you can erase it at any time. So if you have any further questions don't hestitate to contact me via email: gallery (at) lfi-online.de, as usually I am not a forum visitor. Best wishes, Kerstin Engelhard I suppose this post by LFI would make it very hard for them to appropriate your copyright. Legally, they have signed away any claim they might have by this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted July 2, 2007 Share #15 Posted July 2, 2007 You surely mean the following paragraph.... "At the same time, you are granting IDC Corporate Publishing GmbH a right to use your digital photographs. This right of use includes the open-ended right to copy, distribute and to make publicly available any such contents as part of the Internet offering by the LFI Galerie on a worldwide basis. This right of use is granted free of charge." I suppose this post by LFI would make it very hard for them to appropriate your copyright. Legally, they have signed away any claim they might have by this. I see your point, but who's to say this person speaks for LFI (and its lawyers???). And what if the "internet offering" eventually comes to mean "internet sale" of those images you've "granted free of charge"? An offering, a business term in English, means "For Sale". And you've agreed to it, in advance, as stated. Hmmm.... It's just that the language (as you've quoted) is so blatantly in your face (as it is now) that I personally won't participate until it clearly states I solely am the holder of copyright to my images, plain and simple; and they hold a revocable privilege (granted at my discretion) to show them in their gallery. Thanks. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 2, 2007 Share #16 Posted July 2, 2007 I see your point, but who's to say this person speaks for LFI (and its lawyers???). And what if the "internet offering" eventually comes to mean "internet sale" of those images you've "granted free of charge"? An offering, a business term in English, means "For Sale". And you've agreed to it, in advance, as stated. Hmmm.... It's just that the language (as you've quoted) is so blatantly in your face (as it is now) that I personally won't participate until it clearly states I solely am the holder of copyright to my images, plain and simple; and they hold a revocable privilege (granted at my discretion) to show them in their gallery. Thanks. Allan This lady is the spokesperson for the publishers, in charge of tis project Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abrewer Posted July 2, 2007 Share #17 Posted July 2, 2007 If she's in charge she might consider directing her energies toward correcting the "Agreement" to something reasonably clear in terms rather than posting confusing contradictions to it on the internet. Sorry to be a hard-ass about this, but copyright should never been assigned to another without a great deal of forethought, if not compensation, for doing so. Thanks. Allan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted July 5, 2007 Share #18 Posted July 5, 2007 I'm "in".. easy doing to load the pictures.. I like it.. regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 5, 2007 Share #19 Posted July 5, 2007 If she's in charge she might consider directing her energies toward correcting the "Agreement" to something reasonably clear in terms rather than posting confusing contradictions to it on the internet. Sorry to be a hard-ass about this, but copyright should never been assigned to another without a great deal of forethought, if not compensation, for doing so. Thanks. Allan I see where you are coming from, but Germany is a funny country in that respect: More lawyers than grocery-stores... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFI Gallery Posted July 5, 2007 Share #20 Posted July 5, 2007 Hello to everyone interested in LFI Gallery. Actually the technical problems of the LFI Gallery should be solved by now as some pictures were too large for our servers. Photos exceeding 1MB are now reduced automatically. We also simplified the upload process although some procedures are bound to the program we use. As the gallery is rather young there may occur problems we did not foresee. Anyway we invite everyone to come, have a look and maybe take part! Secondly I will clarify the legal issues now. Our intent is to safeguard the legal position when publishing our readers’ photos. Under the general terms and conditions developed by us, all rights remain with the creator. The creator merely grants us a simple right of use until he or she erases the photo. That means the photographer will still be able to use the photo as he wishes, and may sell, print, amend or do whatever he pleases with it. However, in that case he will simply no longer be in a position to grant to a third party a sole or exclusive right to use the photo. Ultimately we do not want – at least not without a further explicit arrangement – to pass on the photos to third parties, nor do we want to print them. But in legal terminology, every time you open a website it means you take a copy of the content. The paragraph that was at issue is refined by now, but any changes in law texts take some time as they first have to pass our lawyer and translator. I see it occasionally caused resentment that I posted a note in the forum. For this case I can only repeat to contact me personally if there are any concerns. Thanks to everyone who helped me making things clear. Kind regards Kerstin Engelhard gallery (at) lfi-online.de + 49 / 40 / 22 62 112 61 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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