Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 25, 2017 Share #61 Posted October 25, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) That's easily mended. Get to know some of the members of our forum. It's worth the trouble. Exactly I look forward to seeing posts from Gary, Thighslapper, Peter, Gordon and many many others ............I didn't look forward to Robs pictures but then.......Wow his pictures started to come to life and now he posts nice pictures .....okay every now and then he $%$#$#$ up and posts another sausage doggie picture but the rest of his stuff is defiantly getting better. I'll teach him how to add a signature next :) Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted October 25, 2017 Share #62 Posted October 25, 2017 That's easily mended. Get to know some of the members of our forum. It's worth the trouble. I know many photographers through various connections over the years, some relationships for over 25 years (one posts here occasionally).. I fully appreciate the value of those relationships. Some have developed into close friendships, not just photo oriented. There are some fine photographers, and I'm sure good people here, but I still value LUF as a gear and processs oriented place (the Bar aside), and not a place for serious photo critique. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 25, 2017 Share #63 Posted October 25, 2017 City / Ort:Malaysia (ex Scotland) Posted Today, 14:30 Jeff S, on 25 Oct 2017 - 14:19, said: And plastered across your pics. I'm not the least bit surprised... a lot of similarities.Jeff Plastered across my pictures...............I dodnt see that Jeff. If your talking about my little diddy signature at the bottom right of my pictures its there because I am proud of my pictures and I want to show them off...............I've yet to see any of your pictures on this forum and I ve been visiting here for nearkly 5 years now.........I wonder why?? neil Attached Images ...... and there was me thinking it was birdsh*t on the lens ..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted October 25, 2017 Share #64 Posted October 25, 2017 Exactly I look forward to seeing posts from Gary, Thighslapper, Peter, Gordon and many many others ............I didn't look forward to Robs pictures but then.......Wow his pictures started to come to life and now he posts nice pictures .....okay every now and then he $%$#$#$ up and posts another sausage doggie picture but the rest of his stuff is defiantly getting better. I'll teach him how to add a signature next :) Neil Hey, I 'resemble' that remark! Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 25, 2017 Share #65 Posted October 25, 2017 Hey, I 'resemble' that remark! Rob :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 25, 2017 Share #66 Posted October 25, 2017 Hey, I 'resemble' that remark! Rob Rob, I think he owes you now. Have him show you how he does his frames. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted October 25, 2017 Share #67 Posted October 25, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have the utmost respect for Neil's photography (and yours as well, along with many others here) and have tried to absorb as much as I can regarding choice of lenses, apertures, lighting, and composition. If I am producing improved photographs it is only because of the talent of posters on the Leica Forum. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 25, 2017 Share #68 Posted October 25, 2017 I have the utmost respect for Neil's photography (and yours as well, along with many others here) and have tried to absorb as much as I can regarding choice of lenses, apertures, lighting, and composition. If I am producing improved photographs it is only because of the talent of posters on the Leica Forum. Rob Rob Your pictures are defiantly better...........keep um coming mate Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted October 25, 2017 Share #69 Posted October 25, 2017 Rob Your pictures are defiantly better...........keep um coming mate Neil Defiantly, I will! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 26, 2017 Share #70 Posted October 26, 2017 Oh, by the way, for mild cases of dyslexia, it's good to keep a bottle of Pepto-Bismol around. Just in case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 26, 2017 Share #71 Posted October 26, 2017 Greg raised an interesting question a few pages back - ... 21mm is very wide indeed; personally I cannot comprehend how to use a 21mm focal length lens but that is me expressing my own limitation and not that of the focal length. It's not even that I am not interested in landscape (though the kind of landscape work I like is unconventional, for example, I really admire Don McCullin's landscape work), just that even when trying to think about shooting landscape I feel 35mm is more than wide enough. What do you use a 21mm for then that you cannot use other (longer) focal lengths for? ... The core focal lengths I use are 21-28-50-75. I find it easier to think this way, and I get confused when switching from SL & M (full frame formats) and APS-C; similarly, I find zooms undisciplined. I know they significantly increase the flexibility of framing with little to no cost in image quality, but even the fabulous SL and TL zooms leave me scratching my head a bit. The 75 & 50 are easily categorised. I know people struggle with the 75mm focal length as being an oddball, but I like it - just a bit tighter than the 50 in a way which matters, without going so far as the 90 or 135. I'm not sure I can explain it. 50mm seems to be my single lens comfort place - I really don't know why, but from a compositional perspective you can isolate the subject without completely losing context. That, and Leica makes truly great 50mm lenses, 28mm is my substitute for the 35mm field of view. My prejudice against 35mm probably dates back to film compacts, which gave a very boring field of view, with their fixed 35mm lenses. I've had a 35 Summicron ASPH (boring) and two 35 Summilux ASPH (FLE) and never really gelled with them. Conversely, the 28mm field of view just gives that little bit more drama. Which brings me to the 21mm fov. The 21 Summilux ASPH is a beast, by any estimation and I understand why people ask what on earth is its purpose - a fast 21? Weird. As to the field of view, most (as Greg does above) assume that this is a landscape lens. I don't agree. Landscape (here) is really better served with short telephotos like the 75 through to 135 or longer, as typically I find I'm wanting to capture or isolate part of the scene. In some cases, eg where I'm in the Southern Alps, I will want a more expansive views I stitch with a 50 or longer (telecentric) lens. So, what benefit the 21? It's certainly very challenging with verticals and round objects near the edges. The 21 demands a different outlook. As Lars Berquist used to say about composing with the 21 SEM, you need to think more like a Chinese artist, filling the frame with many subjects, rather than like a traditional Western photographer with a single subject - framing multiple subjects across the frame, in one plane or with greater depth does require a different approach. You then need to be very careful with verticals and distortion. For myself, I love what the 21mm field of view does with clouds and the like - a paraglider or kite, in the foreground, with big dramatic skies is something I like. Photography for me is not about perceived realism, but about drama by slight of hand - showing an image in a way which challenges or captures the imagination of the viewer subtly, without resorting the long exposures or moving water or clouds, HDR or other chocolate boxy effects (including a tripod, f/16 and everything in focus from your feet to infinity, or f/1.4 with the subject's ears in focus and everything else a miss-mash of bokeh). I'm not sure all that makes sense, but in the same way that Greg manages to capture his interaction with his portrait subjects (which I absolutely love) in a way that is not obvious, it is my goal to use those 4 focal lengths to capture subjects which are arresting, not because they've obviously been captured with a Noctilux but in spite of it. The 21 is a useful focal length, if you can get your head around the challenges of composition and distortion. I'm working on it. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetee1972 Posted October 27, 2017 Share #72 Posted October 27, 2017 Ikarus great reflection in your post there - I learned a lot from it. I wanted to comment on a few specific elements if I may. I know people struggle with the 75mm focal length as being an oddball, but I like it - just a bit tighter than the 50 in a way which matters, without going so far as the 90 or 135. I'm not sure I can explain it. I actually entirely understand the appeal of the 75mm FOV and I owned 75mm Summarit for a while, shooting it on the Sony A7rII. I like it very much; I appreciated the extra reach and compression over the 50mm and for me, I think it comes close to being 'my' perfect portrait lens, i.e. for the sort of contextual/environmental portaiture I like. My only issue with it is that it's too specific in the context of what I like to do; I only ever used the 75 for portraits whereas the 50 I can use for pretty everything (again where the set of 'everything' is what Ilike to do). If you're interested I wrote a blog post on the 75, link is below: http://www.tearsinrain.co.uk/blog/2016/4/26/leica-summarit-75mm-on-the-sony-a7rii Which brings me to the 21mm fov. The 21 Summilux ASPH is a beast, by any estimation and I understand why people ask what on earth is its purpose - a fast 21? Weird. As to the field of view, most (as Greg does above) assume that this is a landscape lens. I don't agree. Landscape (here) is really better served with short telephotos like the 75 through to 135 or longer, Actually this is really helpful insight for me and migt explain why so far landscape hasn't held any appeal for me. Too wide equalls too vague; more focused equalls more interest. I should give it a try. Thanks. you need to think more like a Chinese artist, filling the frame with many subjects, rather than like a traditional Western photographer with a single subject - Another really great insight for me; yes this makes so much sense. I should also give this a go. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted October 27, 2017 Share #73 Posted October 27, 2017 Curious ....... I have no attachment to any particular focal length. Using prime lenses, the one that goes on the camera first usually stays there until I come home ..... unless circumstances absolutely force me to change. Making images fit the lens often yields interesting results rather than the usual boring stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted October 27, 2017 Share #74 Posted October 27, 2017 I tend to use the 24-90 at set focal lengths (28, 35, 50, 75, 90) rather than zooming continuously to frame something. This helps me visualize as I would with a bag of primes. I’ve noticed the variable max aperture tends to neutralize DOF changes as a longer focal length is selected. Having a fixed max aperture results in a constantly narrowing DOF as you zoom in. I haven’t shot many variable aperture lenses before so this was an observation I had not really anticipated or given much thought. I also enjoy simply taking out the M and a 35 or 50 and specifically shooting for that lens. I found with my Nikon kit and the 200 f2 (a focal length I hadn’t used much previously) that “making images that fit the lens” was very fulfilling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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