Lightroom with M10

[stephan54]

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I will switch from Nikon to Leica to go lighter while travelling and because I prefer MF. Up to now I use Nikon Caputure NX.

Wonder whether the M10 also comes with a licence key for Lightroom. I am not interested in a subscription based version. Searched the internet, but could not find the answer. If not, I will buy the stand alone version.

[chris_tribble]

Because of Adobe's promotion of subscription services afraid there's no free permanent license, just a free trial period. A pity but out of Leica's control.

[stephan54]

Thank you. So I will buy Lightroom stand alone.

[Guest]

Thank you. So I will buy Lightroom stand alone.

 

Is that still possible? I thought they had stopped it and also I know from others the updates are slower. I got CC2015 thanks to the voucher in my SL box and have been happy with it. Prior to that I used Aperture until Apple so wisely (in their view) decided to stop with it.

[stephan54]

Is that still possible? I thought they had stopped it and also I know from others the updates are slower. I got CC2015 thanks to the voucher in my SL box and have been happy with it. Prior to that I used Aperture until Apple so wisely (in their view) decided to stop with it.

 

Yes, Amazon is still selling the stand alone version.

[digitalfx]

You can also buy on the Adobe site...its just hidden.

[Colin Barnes]

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Yes, Amazon is still selling the stand alone version.

 

john lewis are also selling it.

[ramarren]

Is that still possible? I thought they had stopped it and also I know from others the updates are slower. I got CC2015 thanks to the voucher in my SL box and have been happy with it. Prior to that I used Aperture until Apple so wisely (in their view) decided to stop with it.

 

 

It's harder to find on the Adobe site than it used to be. This link will get you to the right page, currently, at least in the USA: 

https://www.adobe.com/products/catalog/software._sl_id-contentfilter_sl_catalog_sl_software_sl_mostpopular.html

 

You can still get the full ($149) or update ($79 if you have a previous version installed already, you'll need that version's installation code) LR6 packages that way. 

 

Note: The download is LR 6.0. To obtain the latest LR v6.8, after installation of LR 6.0 you use the menu option in LR: Help > Updates. The Adobe Application Manager will run and manage the update installation process. 

 

(I still have Aperture running on my system (Aperture v3.8 running on macOS Sierra 10.12.3). I never used it much, mostly for the book module in the past, and hardly use it today. Actually, most of Aperture's image editing capabilities remain in Photos now, although the UI and the way it presents the options is almost completely different. I don't use Photos much either. My primary image processing workflow has been through Lightroom since late 2006.)

[Jeff S]

Note, however, that the standalone (perpetual license) version does not include all the feature upgrades in LR6 that are available to CC subscribers.  Adobe made the decision after LR 5 to only include 'minor' upgrades with each interim iteration (e.g., LR 6.1, 6.3, etc....now up to 6.8), such as new camera/lens profiles, etc.  Other enhancements such as local adjustment tools (dehaze, local b/w, etc) will only be available to standalone users if and when there is a standalone LR 7.....and it seems only a matter of time that Adobe will migrate to CC only at some point.  In the meantime, they want to make the standalone purchase/upgrade experience as onerous as possible.

 

Note....Leica/Adobe made the additional decision that for all cameras manufactured after April 1st last year that they would no longer include a free perpetual license; instead it's a 90 day free CC trial (thereafter about 10 bucks a month for Photoshop/LR combined).

 

Jeff

[ramarren]

Note, however, that the standalone (perpetual license) version does not include all the feature upgrades in LR6 that are available to CC subscribers.  Adobe made the decision after LR 5 to only include 'minor' upgrades with each interim iteration (e.g., LR 6.1, 6.3, etc....now up to 6.8), such as new camera/lens profiles, etc.  Other enhancements such as local adjustment tools (dehaze, local b/w, etc) will only be available to standalone users if and when there is a standalone LR 7.....and it seems only a matter of time that Adobe will migrate to CC only at some point.  In the meantime, they want to make the standalone purchase/upgrade experience as onerous as possible.

 

This is quite true, although to be honest, I haven't found any lack whatever in using Lightroom without these additional features. Most of them provide convenience and an easier way to do something at best. Some cannot be offered by Lightroom without having the matching, current version of Photoshop installed because they use the Photoshop privy SPI to access underlying Photoshop image processing libraries not included in LR natively. 

 

Lightroom 6.8 perpetual license does virtually everything I need to do natively, and supports all my current cameras as well as the M10 (and Hasselblad X1D). I have Photoshop CS5.1 on my system, and I have not even opened it up since 2014. For my needs, I can't see spending $120 per year on a subscription to something I need and something I don't rather than paying $80 every 18 months for something I need. 

 

But Adobe will almost certainly move to a subscription only licensing model at some point. At that point, I'll evaluate whether I need Lightroom or whether to move to some other software that does not lock me into monthly payments. I dislike monthly payment subscriptions and only accept their use when absolutely necessary for services that I need or want. 

[digitalfx]

This is quite true, although to be honest, I haven't found any lack whatever in using Lightroom without these additional features. 

 

 

+1

Ive been using the perpetual license for many years and haven't found any features lacking.

[Jeff S]

+1

Ive been using the perpetual license for many years and haven't found any features lacking.

 

Well, until LR 6, there weren't any features lacking for perpetual license users.  

 

Every iteration of previous LR versions offered every feature available.  And that was one of the great benefits of LR....it kept getting better and better with every iteration (e.g., from LR 5 to 5.1 to 5.3, etc), continually improving my prints... for free.  Those improvements allowed me to increasingly ignore my older Photoshop software and stick with LR for most all of my needs.  

 

New features omitted in subsequent iterations (perpetual license) of LR 6 may not offer the same significant benefits as interim versions of LR 5 and before, but that would be hard to know without trying them first to decide.  And if indeed there's not much new, then that's just one more area where the Adobe experience isn't what it was.

 

Jeff

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If you are a Mac user, the OS you have may limit the upgrades – for example as a 'Mountain Lion' user I cannot go beyond 6.0. If I check for updates it just says 'fully up to date'. (For other reasons I don't want to move to a later OS.)

[digitalfx]

If you are a Mac user, the OS you have may limit the upgrades – for example as a 'Mountain Lion' user I cannot go beyond 6.0. If I check for updates it just says 'fully up to date'. (For other reasons I don't want to move to a later OS.)

 

 

That has nothing to do with a Mac...if you are still on Windows 95, you will find the same limitations

 

Software development is tied to the OS...you cant expect a company to code multiple versions of the software for every old OS.

[microview]

Well, Iridient Developer is pretty flexible about its periodic improvements viv-à-vis your operating system  .

[ramarren]

That has nothing to do with a Mac...if you are still on Windows 95, you will find the same limitations

 

Software development is tied to the OS...you cant expect a company to code multiple versions of the software for every old OS.

Exactly.

 

Personally, I don't want or need a bunch of new features. Just like with cameras, I'm willing to pay extra to have fewer features as long as the fundamental bits work the way I want, and work well. LR is now long past providing just the basics I want/need, so most of what I consider useful in new versions is support for new cameras and refinement of existing features (better memory utilization, better performance, etc).

[Jeff S]

There's no way to know if perpetual users are receiving all performance enhancements.  On a LR forum, one user asked if standalone version received 'bug fixes and performance upgrades' and the answer from the moderator was , yes, you receive bug fixes.

 

I'm sure folks would be delighted if Leica issued two categories of FW updates for their cameras, one for free and one for users who paid a monthly fee.....especially if there were no announcement to that effect, and contrary to prior practice.

 

Jeff

[digitalfx]

There's no way to know if perpetual users are receiving all performance enhancements.  On a LR forum, one user asked if standalone version received 'bug fixes and performance upgrades' and the answer from the moderator was , yes, you receive bug fixes.

 

I'm sure folks would be delighted if Leica issued two categories of FW updates for their cameras, one for free and one for users who paid a monthly fee.....especially if there were no announcement to that effect, and contrary to prior practice.

 

Jeff

 

 

 

Jeff,

You clearly have issues with Adobe...fortunately for you there are other solutions to process your images.

Equating it to a free FW update is a bit over the top.

Personally I happy with my LR perpetual license, it does everything I need and more. If Adobe eventually discontinues offering this, I'm sure I will just move to the subscription.

Honestly the cost is about the same either way. I would prefer to stick with my owned software, just because Ive owned it since the beginning...but I'm not going to stress out if its phased out. It seems to be the future of software. 

[Tailwagger]

I reluctantly went with the subscription a while back. Initially, it seemed like a bad move, as the package was buggy, upgrades failed and generally offered little over the licensed software. Over time its gotten far better.  As has been pointed out, its about the same cost as upgrading LR every year or two it bears mention you get PS as well.  Rare that I use it, but for a few things PS is quite valuable. I'm no big fan of Adobe, but I don't see the current licensing as unreasonable. YMMV, of course. 

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[Jeff S]

Jeff,

You clearly have issues with Adobe...fortunately for you there are other solutions to process your images.

Equating it to a free FW update is a bit over the top.

 

 

Not with the products per se, only with the company approach.  I've used LR (and Photoshop) for 8 years with success and admiration.  That doesn't mean that I have to like the way they've increasingly 'coerced' folks to migrate to CC by burying purchase options on their site, omitting standalone features, etc.  I'll probably migrate to CC at some point regardless, but I don't have to like their approach.

 

I liken Adobe in some ways to Apple....both the big gorillas that do as they please, often to the dismay of some of their customer base (increasingly with respect to Apple desktop users in recent years).  And yet I happily use my Mac Pro desktop, my MacBook laptop and iPhone.

 

Leica sometimes also irritates its customer base, but fortunately it's small enough to follow customer issues via the forum and elsewhere and typically, if belatedly, responds to concerns.  I hope they've gotten the message on the S lens issues.....lack of communication to date has been appalling.   And yet I love my Leica gear.

 

I think my analogy to camera FW updates is appropriate; both offer free enhancements to user tools.  Just as a camera FW update often helps me achieve better prints, so do free updates to LR versions. I've often gone back and reprinted favorite images using updated LR versions.....doesn't make the old version bad; just that the new one is sometimes even better.  Just isn't offered the way it used to be.  I'll live.

 

Jeff