ELAN Posted January 30, 2017 Share #1 Posted January 30, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I tested tethering the M10 with an iPhone via WLAN. I'm happy to report that for the most part it works very nicely. Some observations: - photos on the card download pretty quickly to the iPhone. Unfortunately the app doesn't cache the downloaded images so if the app is restarted all images are downloaded again. - with the app in Play mode a captured image appears within two seconds in good resolution on the iPhone. Quite impressive, actually. Paul J, I think you will be pleased with the M10 tethering performance. - The shutter can be triggered remotely in LiveView, or not. Unfortunately the app always defaults to LV and doesn't retain the last setting. - Reconnecting the app with the camera doesn't always work. Most times it shows a connection failure and the app needs to be restarted, and/or Wi-Fi reconnected. - Battery life, which is not good on the M10, suffers even more on WLAN. Be prepared to change batteries often. - The camera turn off WLAN when the app goes to the background and the camera goes to sleep mode. I think that's a good thing considering the M10's battery. - The sequence of connecting the iPhone to the camera is slow and cumbersome - about a minute and a half and quite a few clicks: - 1. Turn on WLAN in camera (24 seconds) - 2. In iPhone settings, Wi-Fi, search for camera and connect (~15 seconds) - 3. Tap in app to search for camera (~15 seconds) - 4. Tap again to connect to camera (~7 seconds) All in all I'm pleased with what we got. Image review is very nice, remote shutter release can be helpful at times, and being able to share photos on-the-go without a computer is also nice to have. With time the app and firmware will (hopefully) improve and the iPhone will become a wonderful extension of the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul J Posted January 30, 2017 Share #2 Posted January 30, 2017 Thanks for the report Elan, very much appreciated! 2 seconds is certainly useful. I'm guessing this is jpg though? Are you able to try and see if the connection can be shared with more than one device? e.g. 2 or more iPads or iPhones at the same time? Also, is the WLAN signal recognised by a mac desktop computer in the wifi signal list? If so, is the "Image Capture" program that comes with every mac able to view and import the images? My wifi printer does this with it's card reader so I'm hoping there may be some luck with the M10 too. Sorry for all the questions and thanks in advance if you are able to try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELAN Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted January 30, 2017 Hello Paul,I couldn't connect both the iPhone and iPad to the M10 at the same time. With the iPhone connected and in Play mode the iPad connected to the M10 WLAN, but the app failed to connect to the M10. Once the app on the iPhone was killed the iPad did connect successfully. This is a software issue so Leica could potentially offer multiple connections.As for the Mac (running Sierra 10.12.2), the Mac did connect to the M10 and Image Capture did show the DNG files, but not previews, and, the files couldn’t be downloaded to the Mac. See error message below. Here too it’s a software issue so Leica and Apple could make it work.Hope this helps. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268846-m10-tethering-to-iphoneipad-via-wi-fi/?do=findComment&comment=3200288'>More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 30, 2017 Share #4 Posted January 30, 2017 Hello Paul, I couldn't connect both the iPhone and iPad to the M10 at the same time. With the iPhone connected and in Play mode the iPad connected to the M10 WLAN, but the app failed to connect to the M10. Once the app on the iPhone was killed the iPad did connect successfully. This is a software issue so Leica could potentially offer multiple connections. As for the Mac (running Sierra 10.12.2), the Mac did connect to the M10 and Image Capture did show the DNG files, but not previews, and, the files couldn’t be downloaded to the Mac. See error message below. Here too it’s a software issue so Leica and Apple could make it work. Hope this helps. Leica M10 IC.jpg Ok, excellent, THANK YOU so much for trying these! You are awesome. I would consider these two as a work around if Leica could work on it. If more than one iPad could be used to view the images then I would actually see that as a desirable and sellable function over a standard shoot rather than lots of people crowded around one computer. But I wonder if the camera would even have the capacity to serve more than one device though. Re Image Capture - is there any change in this if your change "Import To:" dialogue on this screen shot above to your computer? Also did you try this while not connected to your iPhone and iPad given it doesn't allow connection to two devices? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELAN Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share #5 Posted January 30, 2017 You are very welcome, Paul. I can envision your studio with multiple large screen displays and people sitting on sofas sipping wine and reviewing your work as you shoot. Since it's now simply software (my alley) Leica can easily offer firmware/app updates to support multiple connections. I'm not sure the battery can take it, however. If Leica was smart they would release an API so 3rd party vendors can build boxes to connect a wide range of devices. I ran the tests multiple times on different Macs. As noted earlier the M10 will accept only one connection at a time. The Mac cannot currently download the M10 DNG files. Lightroom also sees the files but can't download them either. Once they fix this we could finally import images into Lr over Wi-Fi. Yay! I suspect the problem is on Apple's end. These last tests I ran with the iPad and Macs took the battery from 80% to 65% without a single image captured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 30, 2017 Share #6 Posted January 30, 2017 You are a diamond. Yes I think it looks as if it is possible now but probably needs more work and testing on their end. Or maybe it's the battery in which case the wait is going to be longer. It's a bit of a pandoras box with all the variables involved and they wouldn't want to release that functionality until it's right. I wouldn't want to if it were my product either! I just wish they didn't remove hard tether in the mean time but I accept they may of had to for some design resign. Thanks again for testing this out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELAN Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share #7 Posted January 30, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) We are there, actually. The M10 will let us download images into Lr over Wi-Fi as soon as this bug is fixed. Tethering is there too, better than you had it with the M9 and M240 because Wi-Fi is nicer than cables and improving iPhone apps is a lot easier than rolling out camera firmware updates. In time I bet you will like the M10 tethering over what you have now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 30, 2017 Share #8 Posted January 30, 2017 We are there, actually. The M10 will let us download images into Lr over Wi-Fi as soon as this bug is fixed. Tethering is there too, better than you had it with the M9 and M240 because Wi-Fi is nicer than cables and improving iPhone apps is a lot easier than rolling out camera firmware updates. In time I bet you will like the M10 tethering over what you have now! Well I hope so. I'm open to new technology and would actually much prefer wireless tether. Cables are annoying and I spend way too much money on them which are easy victims of feet and pull strain on ports etc. I have being trying wireless tether since the earliest days of Canon EOS WFT-E1 where the user needs a degree in networking to set it up and then it was pretty rubbish in use. It's amazing how simplified/miniaturised it is already. The last thing I would have to get my head around is working in capture one or whatever from jpgs. Fine for viewing, but if you want to apply curves, adjustments, effects etc then you start having to deal with client concerns about banding and choppy looking detail in images when doing it to 8bit compressed jpgs. That's not an appropriate conversation to have sometimes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 30, 2017 Share #9 Posted January 30, 2017 I wish they had an option to not sleep while connected to WiFi. My connection kept disconnecting mid image download Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 30, 2017 Share #10 Posted January 30, 2017 I wish they had an option to not sleep while connected to WiFi. My connection kept disconnecting mid image download Seems like a reasonable request. As a work around can you add sleep settings to the favourites menu and then turn off sleep when connected? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 30, 2017 Share #11 Posted January 30, 2017 Seems like a reasonable request. As a work around can you add sleep settings to the favourites menu and then turn off sleep when connected? yes you can, you can also set a new profile. But these are unnecessary steps that also require you to remember to turn it off/switch profiles when you are finished. The M should go to sleep in the middle of an action...in this case loading DNG files. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 30, 2017 Share #12 Posted January 30, 2017 Yeah, that sort of thing is annoying I know. I would imagine they will address that in an early firmware update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 30, 2017 Share #13 Posted January 30, 2017 ... As for the Mac (running Sierra 10.12.2), the Mac did connect to the M10 and Image Capture did show the DNG files, but not previews, and, the files couldn’t be downloaded to the Mac. See error message below. Here too it’s a software issue so Leica and Apple could make it work. ... macOS Sierra v10.12.3 has been released now. I notice a number of small things have been improved; you might retest DNG download once you've updated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ELAN Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share #14 Posted January 30, 2017 I just updated the Mac to 10.12.3... and Image Capture no longer sees the M10 device. I tried connecting in different ways and nothing. Under Shared it shows the M10 so there is a connection but no images are shown. Does your Mac see the M10 under devices? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268846-m10-tethering-to-iphoneipad-via-wi-fi/?do=findComment&comment=3200402'>More sharing options...
ELAN Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share #15 Posted January 30, 2017 Paul, good news. I connected the M10 to my home router, tethered with an iPad and AirPlay mirrored onto a big screen TV. Works like Magic. I believe that solves your problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 30, 2017 Share #16 Posted January 30, 2017 I just updated the Mac to 10.12.3... and Image Capture no longer sees the M10 device. I tried connecting in different ways and nothing. Under Shared it shows the M10 so there is a connection but no images are shown. Does your Mac see the M10 under devices? I haven't got an M10 to experiment with. The SL is working fine with LIS and the Lightroom Plugin under macOS Sierra 10.12.3. I don't ordinarily tether the camera to access the files only, for that I use the Mac mini or MacBook Air SDXC card slot. I'll have to experiment with Image Capture ... last I looked it was working fine, but that was before the software update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 30, 2017 Share #17 Posted January 30, 2017 Paul, good news. I connected the M10 to my home router, tethered with an iPad and AirPlay mirrored onto a big screen TV. Works like Magic. I believe that solves your problem Thanks, that may be a work around for viewing but it really needs to be a computer, capture one with a calibrated monitor and live backup. Something you can adjust, profile and continually tweak quickly, solidly, easily and reliably - an iPad alone isn't going to work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 31, 2017 Share #18 Posted January 31, 2017 I just updated the Mac to 10.12.3... and Image Capture no longer sees the M10 device. I tried connecting in different ways and nothing. Under Shared it shows the M10 so there is a connection but no images are shown. Does your Mac see the M10 under devices? This is one of the very reasons wifi will never be a solution. One OS update and your screwed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 31, 2017 Share #19 Posted January 31, 2017 This is one of the very reasons wifi will never be a solution. One OS update and your screwed. Not exactly...it hasn't worked at all yet. If Apple and leica are working together to get this functioning "one OS update" won't kill it. Lets wait and see if they are going to get this configuration working. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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