dkmoore Posted January 27, 2017 Share #21 Posted January 27, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I do own the M10 and the described results will be similar to the comparison between the 240/246. Except the dynamic range, as of early reports is a little better. The claimed DR for M10 is 13 stops. You are talking very minimal differences in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jager Posted January 28, 2017 Share #22 Posted January 28, 2017 Sean has posted his studio comparison of black and white images from the M10, M246, and M240. Well worth reading. http://www.reidreviews.com It confirms a few things... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted January 28, 2017 Share #23 Posted January 28, 2017 Excellent article from Mr. Reid. Definitely worth the subscription over the years. I am glad to see that my opinion, in consideration of Sean's, wasn't completely off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steppenw0lf Posted January 28, 2017 Share #24 Posted January 28, 2017 What is the summary ? (Probably several people have completely different opinions.) But for me the conclusion is clear: An upgrade from the M246 is out of the question. (I will not be able to get any advantage from such an expensive exchange and I would lose some resolution). Maybe next time, when the improvement is clearer ... And I guess that even many MM owners will not feel tempted. I try to keep updates at bay (they do not grow on trees) and only plan them if there is a clear step upwards. I actually try to make longer intervals (between upgrades) than in the past, as IQ has reached a very satisfactory level for me. So it is possible that the M246 will last a few years more and only when 36 or 50 MP are reached with improved DR an upgrade step is maybe "mandatory" for me. Leica will not be starving in the meantime - I will need more native lenses for the SL. (Would not mind a little speed-up. ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted January 29, 2017 Share #25 Posted January 29, 2017 If you only shoot black and white than your decision is a good one! I love the M246 and it is my primary camera. The summary from Reid Reviews is that the dynamic range of the 246 is slightly, but not much, better than the M10. What I take away form the article is the following based on only owning one or the other: If you shoot B&W only, go 246. If you shoot both B&W and color, get the M10. If you can afford both, do that. Note* a lot of the images on his website, which are predominately black and white, was shot with the M240 if that tells you anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jvansmit Posted January 29, 2017 Share #26 Posted January 29, 2017 as an aside......Sean also remarked in his Q review that the Q's files exceed the M246 files at higher ISO in terms of noise and banding Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChateauMonty Posted September 9, 2017 Share #27 Posted September 9, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have two camera bodies: - an M9 with new sensor which I use for portraits shot with a 50mm Summicron (lens acquired via this forum). I convert images to mono, and am now getting paid work for this as a result (my day job is writing, not photography). I never touted my wares, people came to me because they liked the "look". I guess this is to do the the magical M9 "pop"! - an M240 which I use for colour on the run, mainly with a 28mm Elmarit ASPH (both acquired via this forum). I also sometimes get paid for colour images with this set up, too. When I started selling these pics too I got an agent. Anyway, I have some bad GAS right now, and am thinking of acquiring the original/first Monochrom (M9M) to use with my 35mm Summilux ASPH (Robert White). There is a logic to this because I started with Leica with an Ms and the 35mm king of bokeh (sold to get an M7 and the 35mm ASPH. Sold the M7 to get the M9). I love the 35mm lens for reportage, which is what I did then as a hobby, in my late twenties. Looking back it was my best, edgiest work. In the part of the media I work in, there is very little reportage. Everything is colour and Disney-like. I love the look the M9 gives. Is there any reason (apart from money) to think anything other than that the M(9)Monochrom will deliver anything other than images with a unique feel? Is my GAS treatable, or do I succumb? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 10, 2017 Share #28 Posted September 10, 2017 Well, a couple of things. I think that if/when a M10 M appears the main reasons photographers will go for it would be it's "thinner" size, perhaps too the improved VF and the way it handles more so than the images it would produce as compared to it's Monochrom predecessors which may in fact not be so measurably improved. As to the existing Monochroms, for me the MM1 with the CCD sensor is far and away the better camera in regards to the images it produces. It's so like TriX right out of the camera and in my book TriX was and still is the ultimate B&W film. Just go to the MM1's images in these forum pages, notable amongst others the work from colin544, lambda and Likaleica speaks eloquently as to the MM1's CCD "look" and from what I have read they wouldn't change from the CCD Monochrome, as neither did I when I had the offer to trade up to a M246 from Leica when my MM1 underwent it's sensor "swap", ( actually two "swaps" until the corrosion proof sensor was finally installed earlier this year ). I have the M10, but have yet to try it out in regards to B&W images, same with my M240.......but then I still have the MM1 so there's no reason to to go B&W with the other M's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChateauMonty Posted September 10, 2017 Share #29 Posted September 10, 2017 Thanks for your post petermullet. I revered my M6(s), loved my M7, am head over heels in love with my M9 (an M6 with wheels...), respect my M240 and thank it for getting me out of jail sometimes. A dedicated Monochrome M9 (sensor-wise) is my idea of camera heaven. If we look at the greatest black and white photos taken in e.g. Bresson's time the corruption in the images does not detract from what matters: the subject and composition. In my world of wine the idea of a holy grail wine is all encompassing. But it is a myth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Fjeld Posted September 10, 2017 Share #30 Posted September 10, 2017 Just go to the MM1's images in these forum pages, notable amongst others the work from colin544, lambda and Likaleica speaks eloquently as to the MM1's CCD "look" and from what I have read they wouldn't change from the CCD Monochrome, as neither did I when I had the offer to trade up to a M246 from Leica when my MM1 underwent it's sensor "swap", ( actually two "swaps" until the corrosion proof sensor was finally installed earlier this year ). I have the M10, but have yet to try it out in regards to B&W images, same with my M240.......but then I still have the MM1 so there's no reason to to go B&W with the other M's. Well, one could argue that this is purely circumstantial due to the fact that colin544 probably is the best black and white photographer on this forum. I bet that a person who clicks with a particular camera and its idiosyncratic character most likely would continue with that very camera rather than something else. If on the other hand you opt for a sharper image married to better low light capabilities, then an M246 might be the better choice. Having said that, I don't really think it matters that much. An M9M is more than adequate in most if not all circumstances. Upgrading to an M246 doesn't make much sense as it costs more than a used M9M. If you don't have the M9M an M246 makes very much sense as you get to enjoy a guarantee and in theory a technically better camera - that is if you are good enough to exploit the possibilities it offers and that the higher price tag doesn't put you off. The M10 is for all purposes including black and white photography a very good camera. If one is uncertain about colour or purely black and white photography then by all means go for the M10. However, if judged by picture quality due to lack of interpolation and the lack of of bayer filter then it goes without saying that M246 is the best choice - at least for large prints or magnifications. There is one thing the M10 cannot do though, and that is how you mentally approach taking a photo in black and white compared to a monochrome camera. You do start to think conceptually different without the possibility of colour with the M9M/M246. Personally I find it a bit tiresome to read all the pros and cons about this or that concerning the M9M and M246. They are both excellent cameras and there are plenty of very good photographers out there using one or the other. The debate is meaningless and the output is not that different qualitywise. Would I buy an M246/M9M if I thought about taking at least some colour photographies? No! If I was interested in a monochrome full format camera (yes, there is now a Phase One 100MP solution) would I consider an M9M and live with the uncertainty of that particular camera's history such as subjection to water, knocks, falls to the ground etc? No! Would I buy an M246 new where I was certain that I was the only person who put it to good use without risking an uncertain history? Yes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozu_shutterbugger Posted September 11, 2017 Share #31 Posted September 11, 2017 Something about 246 still makes it better with what it doe best. I had it for a brief moment and I can't seem to really replicate the effect either with M10 nor M240. That is if you are peeping hard and trying to compare night shots. The advantage I see these simulations bring is the red green yellow filters are available in the software and for someone lazy like me I would take that over the real glass filter on the lens Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanetomlane Posted September 11, 2017 Share #32 Posted September 11, 2017 When I bought the M10 I was undecided whether to trade my M246, or the M240. The 240 was well brassed and I was concerned I wouldn't get much for it, plus I had an 'attachment' to it. Stephens (just can't get used to calling it Leica Manchester) were kind enough to loan me an M10 for a couple of hours and when I got home I compared those files with the 246's. Not a scientific test by any means, but to me the 246 had the edge especially in the shadow details. Needless to say that I still have the 246. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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