mdg1371 Posted February 7, 2017 Author Share #21 Â Posted February 7, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, wide open Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 Hi mdg1371, Take a look here Zeiss 85mm f2 ZM User opinions and images?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
sophcat Posted August 20, 2017 Share #22  Posted August 20, 2017 Fujifilm X-T1 + Zeiss 85/2 ZM at f2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268479-zeiss-85mm-f2-zm-user-opinions-and-images/?do=findComment&comment=3341417'>More sharing options...
W.supalerk Posted November 14, 2024 Share #23  Posted November 14, 2024 Just got one after years of research,love it Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268479-zeiss-85mm-f2-zm-user-opinions-and-images/?do=findComment&comment=5697700'>More sharing options...
Ecar Posted November 14, 2024 Share #24 Â Posted November 14, 2024 Then I must be the fifth... Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BastianK Posted November 15, 2024 Share #25 Â Posted November 15, 2024 Need to get me one of these for a review one day... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Nassau Posted November 16, 2024 Share #26  Posted November 16, 2024 One is currently available at KEH if you want to give in to temptation.  I just can’t do it and I’ve owned almost every other ZM lens John  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.supalerk Posted November 16, 2024 Share #27  Posted November 16, 2024 Advertisement (gone after registration) 7 hours ago, John in Nassau said: One is currently available at KEH if you want to give in to temptation.  I just can’t do it and I’ve owned almost every other ZM lens John  hi , John if you love zeiss and sonnar design i think this sonnar 85 zm is what you should try . cheers supalerk  10 hours ago, BastianK said: Need to get me one of these for a review one day... hi bastiank it is hard to find user who review this lens only found a few article before i get it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotar Posted November 16, 2024 Share #28  Posted November 16, 2024 Just because it's called Sonnar doesn't mean it has to be one. 😜 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotar Posted November 16, 2024 Share #29 Â Posted November 16, 2024 Whereby - with the air lens it appears as such and the signature of the photos also fits. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted November 16, 2024 Share #30 Â Posted November 16, 2024 Not a Sonnar indeed, but a 6e/6g double gauss-ish design. Purple fringing is its main drawback. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted November 16, 2024 Share #31  Posted November 16, 2024 8 hours ago, Ecar said: Not a Sonnar indeed, but a 6e/6g double gauss-ish design. Purple fringing is its main drawback. That's a surprise and thanks for pointing that out, Enrico. Shame on Zeiss for labelling a double-gauss-ish design as a Sonnar. My desire to have one immediately diminishes and Dr Bertele must be spinning in his resting place. Pete. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biotar Posted November 16, 2024 Share #32  Posted November 16, 2024 As far as I know, there are no more modern Sonnars because the lens construction is too complex. "Sonnar" is not protected and Zeiss has many Sonnars in its program. Nevertheless, Zeiss counts this air lens as a functional lens and so we would be dealing with a Sonnar formula in the order range again. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!   1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!   ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268479-zeiss-85mm-f2-zm-user-opinions-and-images/?do=findComment&comment=5700969'>More sharing options...
W.supalerk Posted November 17, 2024 Share #33  Posted November 17, 2024 8 hours ago, Biotar said: As far as I know, there are no more modern Sonnars because the lens construction is too complex. "Sonnar" is not protected and Zeiss has many Sonnars in its program. Nevertheless, Zeiss counts this air lens as a functional lens and so we would be dealing with a Sonnar formula in the order range again. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!   Thanks for pointing this out i never noticed this before Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted November 17, 2024 Share #34  Posted November 17, 2024 (edited) IIRC, availability of the lens was delayed due to Zeiss undertaking several redesigns between its announcement and actual release. If memory serves (but I can't be 100% sure - it's been nearly 20 years), they mentioned a combination of optical and mechanical issues that led to the inclusion of one or more floating lens element(s) and an overhaul of the focussing mechanism. This resulted in a lens that's a remarkable achievement - albeit expensive to manufacture, hence its early discontinuation - but that is rather complex and difficult to service. Most independent repairers won't touch it, as special proprietary tools are required for disassembly, and adjustment is tricky. I bought my copy several years ago in LNIB condition, but I found focus to be ever-so-slightly off so sent it to one of my favourite technicians, now effectively retired, who hadn't seen one before and made it a personal challenge to fix it. The fact that he had a good relationship with his local Zeiss representative helped, but he had to come up with creative ways of disassembling some parts. In the process, he also replaced what he called "rollers", the cause of the infamous "Zeiss wobble", with more durable ones. Bottom line: a great lens, which indeed exhibits a Sonnar-ish rendering despite technically not being one, sharp and with no noticeable focus shift, but whose main "design compromise" (there's always one...) is strong CA in some conditions - a bit like the Noctilux. I should also add that nailing focus at f/2 seems to be fairly easy - subjectively more so than with the APO 75 or 90 Summicrons. And if it needs service, it has to go to the mothership in Oberkochen... Edited November 17, 2024 by Ecar 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted November 17, 2024 Share #35  Posted November 17, 2024 (edited) Just took a couple of quick snaps with the lens and posted them in "The view through older glass" thread. Reposted below. Both wide open on the M11M and handheld, so that some cold-induced shake may not be ruled out.😉 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!   Edited November 17, 2024 by Ecar 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!   ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268479-zeiss-85mm-f2-zm-user-opinions-and-images/?do=findComment&comment=5701469'>More sharing options...
Ecar Posted November 17, 2024 Share #36  Posted November 17, 2024 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Al Brown said: PS. @Ecar I have a BN silver 75 APO and do not find nailing focus to be a challenge at all (unlike my old 75 summilux, ugh…) 😄 It's the other way around for me. I have both and they are perfectly calibrated. My hit rate when shooting fast is better with the Summilux. Maybe it's the longer focus throw - or just my ageing eyes that are more in sync with the older lens...😉 Edited November 17, 2024 by Ecar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.supalerk Posted November 17, 2024 Share #37  Posted November 17, 2024 3 hours ago, Ecar said: IIRC, availability of the lens was delayed due to Zeiss undertaking several redesigns between its announcement and actual release. If memory serves (but I can't be 100% sure - it's been nearly 20 years), they mentioned a combination of optical and mechanical issues that led to the inclusion of one or more floating lens element(s) and an overhaul of the focussing mechanism. This resulted in a lens that's a remarkable achievement - albeit expensive to manufacture, hence its early discontinuation - but that is rather complex and difficult to service. Most independent repairers won't touch it, as special proprietary tools are required for disassembly, and adjustment is tricky. I bought my copy several years ago in LNIB condition, but I found focus to be ever-so-slightly off so sent it to one of my favourite technicians, now effectively retired, who hadn't seen one before and made it a personal challenge to fix it. The fact that he had a good relationship with his local Zeiss representative helped, but he had to come up with creative ways of disassembling some parts. In the process, he also replaced what he called "rollers", the cause of the infamous "Zeiss wobble", with more durable ones. Bottom line: a great lens, which indeed exhibits a Sonnar-ish rendering despite technically not being one, sharp and with no noticeable focus shift, but whose main "design compromise" (there's always one...) is strong CA in some conditions - a bit like the Noctilux. I should also add that nailing focus at f/2 seems to be fairly easy - subjectively more so than with the APO 75 or 90 Summicrons. And if it needs service, it has to go to the mothership in Oberkochen... Hi Ecar It is a very helpful comment of yours and think of myself that how can I find a trustful technician in my country(Thailand) in case I need a service Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecar Posted November 17, 2024 Share #38  Posted November 17, 2024 13 minutes ago, W.supalerk said: Hi Ecar It is a very helpful comment of yours and think of myself that how can I find a trustful technician in my country(Thailand) in case I need a service Thanks. I usually prefer dealing with independents but TBH, for this particular lens, I think it would probably be best to send it to Zeiss should the need arise. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.supalerk Posted November 17, 2024 Share #39 Â Posted November 17, 2024 @Ecar totally agree with you and love to know that there is people who use this lens. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophcat Posted November 17, 2024 Share #40  Posted November 17, 2024 31 minutes ago, W.supalerk said: @Ecar totally agree with you and love to know that there is people who use this lens. Not very often but use it sometimes with the Zeiss Ikon ZM. (shot with Sony A7ii + Summicron M 50 v.4) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268479-zeiss-85mm-f2-zm-user-opinions-and-images/?do=findComment&comment=5701578'>More sharing options...
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