wlaidlaw Posted February 24, 2017 Share #61 Posted February 24, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's a Fuji thread on a Leica forum so the effect on the S from the launch of the MFD GSX50 at a very competitive price, less even than the FF SL, is a very relevant discussion. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted February 24, 2017 Posted February 24, 2017 Hi wlaidlaw, Take a look here Fuji Medium format released in the USA $6,499. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Jeff S Posted February 24, 2017 Share #62 Posted February 24, 2017 Demo report today on TOP... http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2017/02/fuji-gfx-sneak-peek.html And I just found out today that my local photo store will have their Fuji demo this coming Tuesday. And they plan to stock a camera for in-store demo as well as one for rental, per Fuji requirements. No need to go to lensrentals. Sweet. This will give me an opportunity to do a fair comparison with the S006 that I had for a week this past Summer. After that, maybe a similar swing with the SL and I'll have covered my bases for considering a complement to the M. Hope there's something formal from Leica on the S issues by then....otherwise, too little, too late. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted February 25, 2017 Share #63 Posted February 25, 2017 Please keep us updated on your findings - although others may conclude differently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted February 28, 2017 Share #64 Posted February 28, 2017 Got notification this am that the Fuji has just been released at the above price. However the real news is the price of the lenses, if they are as good as predicted. Primes starting below $2k! https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/items/ci/34375/N/3574321278?utm_medium=Email%201636092&utm_campaign=NewAnnouncement&utm_source=FujiFilm+Leica%20170118&utm_content=Retail&utm_term=fujifilm-gfx-mfs Looks like the Pentax to me..........Im sticking with the S008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted February 28, 2017 Share #65 Posted February 28, 2017 The problem as I see it is that most people who want or need an S probably already have one. With the Fuji and the Hasselblad on the market at a far lower price point, Leica will find it increasingly difficult to sell the S to new buyers. The USP of Leica has always been the quality of their lenses and people seem willing to pay extra for them (I certainly have been willing over many years) but the attendant camera must be roughly competitive both in pricing, image quality, performance and pixel count with other cameras that are perceived as its peers. The S is in a different league in pricing and behind the curve on the latter items other maybe than image quality. A very difficult sell for Leica dealers. Wilson Wilson We all rave about the S lenses and rightly so.........there amazing. Wouldn't it be nice if the competitors had adapters so that for example you could use your S lenses on the GFX or the X1D. That way when new bodies come out you can choose which one to screw onto your S lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrp Posted February 28, 2017 Share #66 Posted February 28, 2017 It'll be interesting to see whether the S glass, good as it is, is so much better than the new Fuji / Hasselblad equivalents. Competition is a good thing, provided that it doesn't knock out your champion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 1, 2017 Share #67 Posted March 1, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I attended the Fuji demo at my local dealer today. In short, I was impressed with my initial GFX interaction. Unfortunately, we could not insert SD cards for our own use, or review pics other than on the camera screen. That will await the demo/rental cameras that my dealer should be getting soon. The acid test for me will be making pics and prints using my own workflow. A recent summary on TOP more or less echoes many of my initial thoughts, so it's worth reading so that I'm not repeating... http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2017/02/fuji-gfx-sneak-peek.html Contrary to Neil's comparison to the Pentax 645Z (I owned the film version many years ago....along with various other MF film cameras), the GFX fits beautifully in the hand and is surprisingly light....both body and lenses (the 120 Macro is bigger/heavier than the 32-64mm zoom and the 63mm normal lens). In fact, the lightness is a bit disconcerting after using Leica systems like the M, S and SL, each feeling heavier than one might initially think (not a bad thing for me). Still, the Fuji body is apparently magnesium alloy, so it should be robust, and is weather sealed (as are all native lenses). The EVF is very fine, as EVFs go.....as I've written elsewhere, I prefer optical finders for sheer viewing, but appreciate the features that EVFs allow. I liked it far more than the X1D EVF, reminding me more of the SL EVF, although I haven't handled the SL since last Summer.....I'll check it out again as I consider my options. For me, the S VF is tops, but that's another story. Unlike the X1D, the joystick works perfectly for focus point changes, etc. I could also change the VF to either add a variety of information, or completely clear the screen for unobstructed viewing. The rep didn't have the tiltable EVF option to try. The shutter sound and action was a delight... quiet and responsive. Controls were easy to access, understand and use.....including basics like aperture rings, etc, but also little things like the diopter dial, which was out of the way (to avoid accidental change) yet simple to control. One can use dials for all primary actions (ISO, shutter, aperture, etc), or set each to allow for command dial change through the EVF. Best of both worlds. Anyway, so far, so good. I look forward to actually using and checking out files/prints. FWIW, magnified playback of subject details and color on the rear screen was stunning. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 1, 2017 Share #68 Posted March 1, 2017 Wilson We all rave about the S lenses and rightly so.........there amazing. Wouldn't it be nice if the competitors had adapters so that for example you could use your S lenses on the GFX or the X1D. That way when new bodies come out you can choose which one to screw onto your S lens. Who knows...the M adapter may be just a start... http://www.fujirumors.com/first-images-fujifilm-gfx-adapters-leica-m-zeiss-otus-mamiya-schneider-kreuznach-focal-plane-shutter-advantage/ Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted March 1, 2017 Share #69 Posted March 1, 2017 Who knows...the M adapter may be just a start... http://www.fujirumors.com/first-images-fujifilm-gfx-adapters-leica-m-zeiss-otus-mamiya-schneider-kreuznach-focal-plane-shutter-advantage/ Jeff That looks great but I'm sticking to my gut feeling that the new S008 will have 80 megabytes and a evf with double what my SL has. If my contact is correct it will be announced in September 2017. Obviously it will be bigger but I am told it will hold the same shape and will come with 3 New lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted March 1, 2017 Share #70 Posted March 1, 2017 That looks great but I'm sticking to my gut feeling that the new S008 will have 80 megabytes and a evf with double what my SL has. If my contact is correct it will be announced in September 2017. Obviously it will be bigger but I am told it will hold the same shape and will come with 3 New lenses That would be great if so, addressing one of my 2 key concerns, i.e., Leica's renewed commitment to the system; the other of course being the solution to lens/service issues. A side benefit might be a price adjustment on the 007, which has all the MP I would need. Even the SL is still in the mix for me, and a new S would presumably open the door for Leica to push the SL to new levels. Rumors suggest at least one more MF system by another manufacturer on the horizon, perhaps this year. Lots of choices. I'm not in a rush, but will make a commitment to a system before year end. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted March 1, 2017 Share #71 Posted March 1, 2017 It'll be interesting to see whether the S glass, good as it is, is so much better than the new Fuji / Hasselblad equivalents. Competition is a good thing, provided that it doesn't knock out your champion. I think it depends on what you are looking for.... Other lenses may be as sharp, but do not have such a pleasing end result IMO. I have seen a few really ugly bokeh shots from the X1D 90mm john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 1, 2017 Share #72 Posted March 1, 2017 I have seen a few really ugly bokeh shots from the X1D 90mm john Any possibility to share a link or two, showing the 90 bokeh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 1, 2017 Share #73 Posted March 1, 2017 Wilson We all rave about the S lenses and rightly so.........there amazing. Wouldn't it be nice if the competitors had adapters so that for example you could use your S lenses on the GFX or the X1D. That way when new bodies come out you can choose which one to screw onto your S lens. I suspect that would depend on Leica's willingness to allow others to use their patented features of the S mount, so I am guessing the chances are slim to none. The only folks I can see doing this are Novoflex, with whom Leica seem to have a good relationship. In theory any camera that has a flange focal distance less than the 53mm of the S, could have an adapter for S lenses made for it. The way to go might be stacked adapters with the R as the intermediate, as the R's mount will be pretty much out of patent but of course these would not then be autofocus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted March 1, 2017 Share #74 Posted March 1, 2017 Any possibility to share a link or two, showing the 90 bokeh? I do not take him very seriously, but you cannot really fake this.... https://diglloyd.com/blog/2017/20170214_2028-HasselbladX1D-90f3_2-bokeh-OOF-night.html john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted March 1, 2017 Share #75 Posted March 1, 2017 That looks great but I'm sticking to my gut feeling that the new S008 will have 80 megabytes and a evf with double what my SL has. If my contact is correct it will be announced in September 2017. Obviously it will be bigger but I am told it will hold the same shape and will come with 3 New lenses So we can expect a (new) biggie and a (existing) Jr version of the S? With two sets of lenses. Hmmm. Even more choices in a gradually diminishing market. Or will Leica upsize the S, leaving existing bodies and lenses behind? Hopefully not. But for sure, the new Hassey and Fuji (and possibly additional vendors) systems are interesting for many, existing and potential new S users included. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted March 2, 2017 Share #76 Posted March 2, 2017 That looks great but I'm sticking to my gut feeling that the new S008 will have 80 megabytes and a evf with double what my SL has. If my contact is correct it will be announced in September 2017. Obviously it will be bigger but I am told it will hold the same shape and will come with 3 New lenses 3 entirely new lenses would be unlikely IMHO, so perhaps 3 new versions of already existing lenses to deal with the higher number of MP...? 50-60MP would be commercial suicide (again IMHO) at the current price and without a mirrorless body, so perhaps 80MP could be right. Announced in September 2017 would mean available a year later... They should also keep the current S body but sell it at half the price... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted March 2, 2017 Share #77 Posted March 2, 2017 I think 80 mix/ EVF with double SL resolution is just pure speculation, or "gut feeling". Leica has never lead the megapixel race, and 50+ mpix seems to be the new "plateu" for this sensor format, where I would expect the S to position itself. Most people will not want/need to handle 100 mpix files as standard, and it comes at a higher price point. Likewise, the speculation of a new lens format is just that - speculation, and I would say highly improbable, based on both the quality and investment by Leica in the current line of lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted March 2, 2017 Share #78 Posted March 2, 2017 The sensible approach would be for Leica for the next S, to buy an off the shelf sensor, which would cut costs considerably. They would then expend their R&D efforts/money on getting the best out of the sensor, control systems, a faster processor etc. Nobody expects Leica to lead the pixel race but they do expect it to be roughly equal and if not in the same ball park on price, at least in the same state. Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul J Posted March 2, 2017 Share #80 Posted March 2, 2017 I think 80 mix/ EVF with double SL resolution is just pure speculation, or "gut feeling". Leica has never lead the megapixel race, and 50+ mpix seems to be the new "plateu" for this sensor format, where I would expect the S to position itself. Most people will not want/need to handle 100 mpix files as standard, and it comes at a higher price point. Likewise, the speculation of a new lens format is just that - speculation, and I would say highly improbable, based on both the quality and investment by Leica in the current line of lenses. This following quote is the only thing we do know at this point but things may have changed by now anyway. I would be happy with 60 but I would certainly prefer 80MP if I'm considering this system, given that resolution upgrades have been very slow coming and are likely to be in future - that is one of the main things that has stopped me buying all along. Bear in mind the 3:2 format generally needs more cropping to 3:4 standards so more is better for that reason too. From reddotforum: Stephan’s take on the matter was that he doesn’t think that users’ real issue is about actually needing more pixels. The difference between 40 and 50 MP is roughly a 10-15% increase in linear resolution, hardly earth shattering. He feels strongly that for there to be a noticeable increase in image quality, the jump would have to be more significant, say from 40 to 60 or possibly even to 70 MP. He believes the underlying concern is that users of a system want to feel theirs is the most advanced, the most future-proof. By staying at 37.5 MP while the competition is all going to 50 MP, Stephan thinks that the concern of some Leica S users is that somehow their camera is outclassed, or worse, outdated. I thought for a moment about this then ran a quick list of features in my head, innovations and advantages of the S 007 vs. the competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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