jaapv Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1081 Posted January 8, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, static object and static camera works perfectly, made some good pictures using EVF2 under these conditions. Make one or the other dynamic and usability of EVF2 is no more especially with longer lens where focus and viewfinder feedback are critical. I must be doing something wrong, I tend to use the EVF with dynamic subjects and long lenses (280 in this case). (Yes, I should have compensated for shutter lag a touch more... ) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/266426-leica-m-10/?do=findComment&comment=3181721'>More sharing options...
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keithlaban.co.uk Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1082 Posted January 8, 2017 It's the combination of the antiquated EVF in combination with the M240s outdated processor that is so frustrating. I mean, for God's sake, my wife's dirt cheap, five year old, (<£300), Lumix cameras are capable of scrolling focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1083 Posted January 8, 2017 It's the combination of the antiquated EVF in combination with the M240s outdated processor that is so frustrating. I mean, for God's sake, my wife's dirt cheap, five year old, (<£300), Lumix cameras are capable of scrolling focus. ?????? How you met your wife is nothing to do with focus. Calling Childline even as I write......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1084 Posted January 8, 2017 I must be doing something wrong, I tend to use the EVF with dynamic subjects and long lenses (280 in this case). (Yes, I should have compensated for shutter lag a touch more... ) post-17303-14286974354431.jpg Oh dear, we're back to this logic are we? Thousands of fabulous photos taken in the 50s and 60s before EVF and other aids does not mean such aids are not useful. The EVF has no direct impact on the final image, but it sure does make it easier. Why play the apologist? It does you no credit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1085 Posted January 8, 2017 ?????? How you met your wife is nothing to do with focus. Calling Childline even as I write......... lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1086 Posted January 8, 2017 ...It means there are some shots you know you won't be able to get so you stop worrying about this and concentrate on timing and perfecting the shots you can get. A bit of forethought and preparation is better than any AF system I've yet experienced. More photographs are lost to blindly accepting circumstance, lack of patience or simple laziness than the technical characteristics of the equipment. But of course, its the camera's lack of ability that generally takes the blame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
honcho Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1087 Posted January 8, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) .......But of course, its the camera's lack of ability that generally takes the blame. Oh come on! The grass behind that warthog is sharp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1088 Posted January 8, 2017 Oh dear, we're back to this logic are we? Thousands of fabulous photos taken in the 50s and 60s before EVF and other aids does not mean such aids are not useful. The EVF has no direct impact on the final image, but it sure does make it easier. Why play the apologist? It does you no credit. You might take the trouble to read the post I responded to, before you repeat my argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1089 Posted January 8, 2017 Oh dear, we're back to this logic are we? Thousands of fabulous photos taken in the 50s and 60s before EVF and other aids does not mean such aids are not useful. The EVF has no direct impact on the final image, but it sure does make it easier. Why play the apologist? It does you no credit. John, thank you on your polite rebuttal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1090 Posted January 8, 2017 You might take the trouble to read the post I responded to, before you repeat my argument. Picture sample you provided does not prove anything and it is hardly "Doug Herr" class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1091 Posted January 8, 2017 5 days to go Until the 18th? Either I missed something or you need math check in addition to spell check. http://leicarumors.com/2016/12/08/leica-m10-event-invitation.aspx/ Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1092 Posted January 8, 2017 Picture sample you provided does not prove anything and it is hardly "Doug Herr" class. I've never seen an image of a Warthog at speed avoiding a photographer by Doug... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1093 Posted January 8, 2017 ?????? How you met your wife is nothing to do with focus. Calling Childline even as I write......... ROFL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1094 Posted January 8, 2017 I've never seen an image of a Warthog at speed avoiding a photographer by Doug... Roll eyes all you like all I see is charging animal in sharp zone of focus, about 2m deep, photographed at either low shutter speed or without panning. As much as it is valiant effort to capture wildlife in motion with M camera and long R lens hardly endorsement for EVF2 for such type of photography, more a statement it could be done with a bit of luck and plenty of trial and error. A cheap AF DSLR in Programme Mode and a kit zoom lens would probably do better job in less skilled hands. Whether you agree with me or not EVF2 was half baked EVF solution back in 2013, I don't expect it to be what it isn't and use it with all its limitations and if I ever need or want to photograph running animal or bird I would look elsewhere. I sold Nikon AF heavy artillery some time ago and very happy for doing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1095 Posted January 8, 2017 mmradman we all agree (I guess) that the EVF could be better ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1096 Posted January 8, 2017 I don't understand this. But I am very non-technical in my approach to photography. When Fuji upgraded the XT1 to the XT2, they took it from 16mp to 24mp but kept the same 2.36m dot EVF, and as far as I'm aware not a single person has ever complained that the viewfinder became any less easy or effective to use in any respect. XT-2 users are too busy charging and checking batteries to complain. I recently learned the basics on one to set it up for a client, and.....unbelievable they would sell that camera with such a battery. It uses alot more power than the XT-1. Now, the RX1rii is roughly equally awful. But my A7 seems like a battery champ compared to those two cameras. The M9 is like heaven. It's not so much the power of the batteries, but what they are called on to do, I understand. That's why the M9 is x2 better than A7 which is x2 better than XT-2. Real world it is such a pain to constantly be thinking about charging. And there is always that one time, where you did not grab the extra. You literally cannot take the XT-2 or RX1rii without extras in your pocket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imants Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1097 Posted January 8, 2017 I recently learned the basics on one to set it up for a client, That about sums up your knowledge remember you wrote that ............. ps switching batteries is not a great drama focusing a camera here seems to be a major problem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1098 Posted January 8, 2017 XT-2 users are too busy charging and checking batteries to complain. I recently learned the basics on one to set it up for a client, and.....unbelievable they would sell that camera with such a battery. It uses alot more power than the XT-1. Now, the RX1rii is roughly equally awful. But my A7 seems like a battery champ compared to those two cameras. The M9 is like heaven. It's not so much the power of the batteries, but what they are called on to do, I understand. That's why the M9 is x2 better than A7 which is x2 better than XT-2. Real world it is such a pain to constantly be thinking about charging. And there is always that one time, where you did not grab the extra. You literally cannot take the XT-2 or RX1rii without extras in your pocket. What has that to do with the relationship between the number of dots in the EVF and pixels on the sensor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1099 Posted January 8, 2017 What has that to do with the relationship between the number of dots in the EVF and pixels on the sensor? The XT-2 EVF is drawing a bunch of power, it's a new one, and the camera is sold on partly on it's quality. It actually has two modes with varied refresh rates. The far more usable one is "turbo" mode, which goes to 100FPS. This dramatically reduces an already very limited battery life. So, actually the XT-2 EVF has alot to do with the battery life, as does it's focus system. The idea switching batteries all the time "is no big deal" must be so nice for Fuji to hear. No need to spec a newer larger battery, since many fans are ready to defend that aspect as if pointing it out was a personal insult. You get the same thing when you mention the Sony A7rii batteries are the same ones since the Nex-5. Only a single motive for that: margin. The M240 does have a bigger battery than the M9, which I think was due to users complaints. Any conversation about a second smaller EVF based FF M body (or L) should consider the weak points of other attempts to make a modern mirrorless camera, no? But honestly, it's unlikely Leica would make a similar cynical choice. The SL and M240 batteries are fine. DSLR users can literally take their bodies into the wild for a week on one battery. On the other hand you can find long threads from A7 shooters going into the wild to decide how many to take, how to charge them. The DSLR batteries not that huge. I do alot of backcountry, and impromptu shooting: I'm late and just grab the camera from the bag.....oh wait did I get a battery too? Also I've had nex, A7, Rx1rii and even the M9 cameras fail right in a "moment" for batteries. I'd assume the M10 will use the M240 battery...or? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted January 8, 2017 Share #1100 Posted January 8, 2017 I'm not sure where we're going with the battery 'circuit'. I carry spare batteries on any important shoot, be it with 1DX, A7R, or M. An occasional check on remaining capacity ensures that battery failure doesn't interrupt shooting. I don't see it as any more difficult than carrying and changing memory cards (or film). I guess it may be different if one is shooting video, but then that would be a digression on a digression. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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