wattsy Posted October 31, 2016 Share #21  Posted October 31, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) My Monochrom is version 1, but it was bought new less than a year ago, and has only had about 500 actuations. No sensor corrosion and such yet which I guess could cause some issues if it was present, but then again, if there was something wrong with the sensor I would've probably seen it when I shoot a blue sky at f/16 and inspect the raw files at 100%. I've also checked the inside of the camera - the area between the sensor and the lens, and I can't find any shiny surface there either.    I wasn't suggesting that there is anything wrong with the sensor just that the light source might be reflecting back up from the sensor on to the lens and back again. Just a vague idea that I haven't given much thought about.  I'm not sure I find flare especially bothersome with any of my Leica lenses. Some examples that might be of interest within the scope of this discussion (though not conclusive or telling anything like a complete story).  These are with the 35 Summicron ASPH and film and show examples where I think flare has been handled well and also where it is intrusive.  Annoying 'banded' flare (a type I have only seen when using the crappy vented hood and, possibly coincidentally, a filter).      Well controlled examples        Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wattsy Posted October 31, 2016 Share #22  Posted October 31, 2016 This example is perhaps the closest I can find to a kind of ghosting like (orb). 35 Summicron and film.    Bizarrely, the only other similar example that springs to mind with this kind of orb was taken virtually in the same place (within 100 yards or so) but a whole year earlier!     Some classic ASPH flare.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 31, 2016 Share #23 Â Posted October 31, 2016 Finally, just to mix things up, some examples with the 35 Summilux FLE and Monochrom. Â Â Â Â Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share #24 Â Posted October 31, 2016 Â Finally, just to mix things up, some examples with the 35 Summilux FLE and Monochrom. Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Well weird! The examples on the Monochrom looks very similar to the flare I'm experiencing on my Monochrom, but with a different lens - but same focal length, and the Lux 35 FLE also have a concave front element just like the Cron 35 ASPH. Hmm. Is this also on a MMv1? Is the Monochrom prone to internal reflections or something like that? I used the MMv1 back in 2012-2013, but I exclusivly used it with a Summilux 50 ASPH then, and didn't have any problems with ghosting or reflections. Â I used a Lux 35 FLE on an M240 for about 3 years, and I've also used it with film, and haven't really had any issues with flaring or ghosting with those combinations, and I almost never used the hood.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 31, 2016 Share #25 Â Posted October 31, 2016 Â Finally, just to mix things up, some examples with the 35 Summilux FLE and Monochrom. Â Â Â Â Â Â This will set me on my way this weekend with the Monochrom1 and Summicron trying to duplicate the effect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 31, 2016 Share #26 Â Posted October 31, 2016 Well weird! The examples on the Monochrom looks very similar to the flare I'm experiencing on my Monochrom, but with a different lens - but same focal length, and the Lux 35 FLE also have a concave front element just like the Cron 35 ASPH. Hmm. Is this also on a MMv1? Is the Monochrom prone to internal reflections or something like that? Â Â I don't think it's a Monochrom thing, just a lens effect. Here's an example with the 35 FLE and film. Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted October 31, 2016 Share #27 Â Posted October 31, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) This will set me on my way this weekend with the Monochrom1 and Summicron trying to duplicate the effect. Â Should be possible. Here's an example from a few years ago using the 35 Summicron ASPH (not the same one I own now) using digital (M9). Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted October 31, 2016 Share #28 Â Posted October 31, 2016 Ian, that's a smashing photo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 31, 2016 Share #29 Â Posted October 31, 2016 Hood off, filter off and hoping for the sun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share #30  Posted October 31, 2016 Should be possible. Here's an example from a few years ago using the 35 Summicron ASPH (not the same one I own now) using digital (M9).   Well that reflection looks almost exactly the same. Which is what I'm trying to figure out, if this is just normal for this lens or not.  I did a quick comparison right now between the 35/2 Cron ASPH and my CV 35/1.4 MC - both without filters and hoods. I have to say that minus the loss of contrast, I clearly prefer the flare characteristics of the CV. Then again there's a lot I really don't like about the CV:  CV 35/1.4 MC at F1.4:  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Summicron 35/2 ASPH at F2:  Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Summicron 35/2 ASPH at F2:  ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/266005-summicron-352-asph-flareghosting-issue/?do=findComment&comment=3138997'>More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 31, 2016 Share #31 Â Posted October 31, 2016 The 35 Summarit is said to have less flare and secondary reflections than the Summicron ASPH (Puts and other reviews). Â The Summarit also is without the mild focus shift seen on some Summicron samples (like mine....although not a problem in prints). Â Of course there are other considerations and tradeoffs (speed, distortion, etc). Â Here's an excerpt from Puts... Â Summarit-M 2.5/35mm This lens is for all intents and purpose flare free. Even shooting with the sun at oblique angles does not induce flare or veiling glare. At 1:2.5 branches against the clear sky have a faint dark grey color where stopped down you see an intense black. Secondary reflections are also absent, even with the sun shining directly into the lens. The Summarit in this respect is better (but not by a large margin) than the Summicron 2/35 asph. Â Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted October 31, 2016 Share #32  Posted October 31, 2016 With the M9, no flare. I don't know the aperture but it was obviously not wide open !  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Edit: with hood, no filter Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  Edit: with hood, no filter ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/266005-summicron-352-asph-flareghosting-issue/?do=findComment&comment=3139277'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 31, 2016 Share #33 Â Posted October 31, 2016 With the M9, no flare. I don't know the aperture but it was obviously not wide open ! Â L1000233_003.jpg But with the hood on, I wager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted October 31, 2016 Share #34 Â Posted October 31, 2016 But with the hood on, I wager. Â Yep !! I edited my post... sorry should have made it clear ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphlex Posted November 1, 2016 Share #35 Â Posted November 1, 2016 The latest version (11673) seems to have less of this. Â Â Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share #36  Posted November 1, 2016 The latest version (11673) seems to have less of this.   Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk  I'm sure it does. But I'm not spending 40% more, or the equivalent of what I can buy a used 35 Lux FLE in good condition for, to get a few more aperture blades and possibly some better coating, as well as a bigger and more inconvenient hood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnick6 Posted November 2, 2016 Share #37 Â Posted November 2, 2016 I've looked inside the lens, both front and rear, stopped down and wide open, with two led flashlights... And there's nothing. Not even a tiny grain of dust any where. And the lens looks and feels mint. I can't see any shiny surface area on any of the metal parts either. It looks completely clean. Â Did you check the sensor as well? Â Example #2 looks like something on the sensor... or some kind of water droplet on the lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 2, 2016 Share #38 Â Posted November 2, 2016 Not really. It is evidently a reflection of the street light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianman Posted November 2, 2016 Share #39  Posted November 2, 2016 The latest version (11673) seems to have less of this.   Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk  Mine is certainly not the latest version (didn't know it had changed !), but I haven't seen any flare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted November 2, 2016 Share #40  Posted November 2, 2016 I've never known a Leica lens that can't be made to flare, including the famed F1 Noctilux. In my experience, the worst culprits are the modern shorter focal length lenses with aspherical elements though some are better than others in this regard – e.g. the 28 Summicron is more resistant than the 24 Elmarit and the 35 Summarit considerably less flare prone than both the Summicron and Summilux. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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