billh Posted June 12, 2007 Share #1 Â Posted June 12, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Currently I change the profile to sRGB IEC61966-2.1, then the size and mode in CS2 before going to image ready. There is no Image Ready in CS3, so all I can do in CS3 is select save for web, and let the program do its thing. I can no longer adjust (for example) levels, saturation and sharpness of the 72dpi web image, and they simply do not look as good as those I process through Image Ready in CS2. Am I missing something in PS3? Â Thanks, Â Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gepetto Posted June 13, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted June 13, 2007 Bill you just brought it to my attention that ImageReady is no more in PSCS3. Adobe seems to be giving with one hand and taking away with the other. Â One thing you could do is keep ImageReady around if you have not deleted it already. If you still have it on your machine one way to access it is thru the Bridge. If you go to a folder with JPG's in it highlighting an image you will be able to open that file directly in ImageReady by either using the File menu Open with or you could right click and hold on the image revealing a drop down menu with the same Open with path. Â I don't see any way to get PSCS3 to open files into ImageReady as you could with CS2. It does function with the Bridge I can confirm that. Adobe really cuts some major functions as they go along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericperlberg Posted June 13, 2007 Share #3  Posted June 13, 2007 Currently I change the profile to sRGB IEC61966-2.1, then the size and mode in CS2 before going to image ready. There is no Image Ready in CS3, so all I can do in CS3 is select save for web, and let the program do its thing. I can no longer adjust (for example) levels, saturation and sharpness of the 72dpi web image, and they simply do not look as good as those I process through Image Ready in CS2. Am I missing something in PS3? Thanks,  Bill  I don't understand your question. Why can't you adjust levels, saturation and sharpness on the 72dpi web image in Photoshop CS3 the normal way? 1) Reduce image size, 2) Convert to sRGB, 3) Adjust levels, saturation and sharpness, 4) Choose Save for Web and adjust jpg size and quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 13, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted June 13, 2007 Eric, that's what I do. I never bothered to use Image Ready, but if I remember correctly it could give you a 'before and after' image side by side, which may have been useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericperlberg Posted June 13, 2007 Share #5 Â Posted June 13, 2007 Eric, that's what I do. I never bothered to use Image Ready, but if I remember correctly it could give you a 'before and after' image side by side, which may have been useful. Â Can't you use the 2-up and 4-up tabs in Save for Web to do that? And for each individual step in CS3 (tonal, saturation, sharp...) you can use layers or even smart objects to view and change, view and compare each step of the way. Perhaps you could do all that in one window in ImageReady, I don't know having never really spent much time in IR. I don't believe the assertion that Adobe have cut functionality in CS3 though functionality may have been re-arranged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 13, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted June 13, 2007 Eric, I think you could, but Image Ready would allow you to say adjust the saturation and see directly how it affected the image before the save to web dialogue. Â As I said, like yourself I never really used Image Ready. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted June 13, 2007 Author Share #7  Posted June 13, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't understand your question. Why can't you adjust levels, saturation and sharpness on the 72dpi web image in Photoshop CS3 the normal way? 1) Reduce image size, 2) Convert to sRGB, 3) Adjust levels, saturation and sharpness, 4) Choose Save for Web and adjust jpg size and quality.  I can. here is the difference.  Image Ready file   PS3, save for web Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/26497-no-image-ready-in-cs3/?do=findComment&comment=280534'>More sharing options...
ericperlberg Posted June 13, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted June 13, 2007 Bill, I can see the difference but it doesn't tell me anything. In CS3 all save for the web does is a) strip out any profile information and apply the jpg compression (or png or gif) that you set. I don't know what the equivalent in imageready does but from what you said earlier, you have additional controls in Save For Web in ImageReady that PS3 doesn't have in Save For Web. Â But there's no doubt in my mind that in a normal workflow with CS3 you could achieve the same results using curves, levels and sharpening in adjustment layers and then going to save to web for jpg compression. You can do A/B comparisons to the original by switching on and off layers as you work and in Save For Web you can use 2up and 4 up to see how the compression is going to effect your image. Â Further, using layer adjustments in cs3 you get far more power because you can mask out parts of the image by per cent or totally and you can change your mind and way after the fact because layers aren't destructive. Â So the only real difference that I can see from what you've presented is that you have to learn a new workflow. Â Adobe dropped imageready because they continued Macromedia's Fireworks (obviously now Adobe Fireworks). Since ImageReady was a "come late to the party" Adobe attempt to have a Fireworks like program to compete with Macromedia, it didn't make sense to continue two separate products which do the same thing. Fireworks was the better software, they kept it. Imageready was always a tacked on thing for photoshop, they dropped it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gepetto Posted June 14, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted June 14, 2007 Adobe dropped ImageReady to force Photoshop users to have to buy Fireworks that much is apparent. Why supply something free when they can charge you for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted June 15, 2007 Author Share #10 Â Posted June 15, 2007 Adobe dropped ImageReady to force Photoshop users to have to buy Fireworks that much is apparent. Why supply something free when they can charge you for it. Â I bought creative suite CS3 - what is Fireworks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericperlberg Posted June 15, 2007 Share #11  Posted June 15, 2007 I bought creative suite CS3 - what is Fireworks?  From the Adobe website: Fireworks: Accelerate web design and development with Adobe® Fireworks® CS3 software, the ideal tool for creating and optimizing images for the web and rapidly prototyping websites and web applications. Fireworks CS3 offers the flexibility to edit both vector and bitmap images, a common library of prebuilt assets, and timesaving integration with Adobe Photoshop® CS3, Adobe Illustrator® CS3, Adobe Dreamweaver® CS3, and Adobe Flash® CS3 software. Mock up designs quickly in Fireworks, or leverage other assets from Illustrator, Photoshop, and Flash. Then move directly into Dreamweaver CS3 for easy development and deployment.  It's part of the Adobe Creative Suite for Web developers. Adobe makes several creative suite CS3s. The one you bought is most likely the Creative Suite for Designers (unless you mean you bought Photoshop CS3 as a standalone product). In the event that you want everything Adobe makes including Fireworks, you can upgrade to the Master Edition. But for typical photographic work you only need Photoshop CS3, you don't need the suites at all.  Fireworks is not designed to be a simple way to get photo images onto the web, its designed for web developers who need to prototype and build sophisticated web sites. ImageReady was designed with the same purpose in mind as I mentioned above. Dropping ImageReady does not force anybody to buy anything. Photoshop CS3 has all the built in functionality you'll likely need, certainly for preparing images for web use its feature complete. I note that in Martin Evening's book Adobe Photoshop CS2 for Photographers which is 675 pages, only 4 pages are about ImageReady. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gepetto Posted June 15, 2007 Share #12 Â Posted June 15, 2007 Eric, Photoshop might be feature complete for posting to the web but from what Bill posted it certainly does not look quality complete. Â I beg to differ on having to buy now what ImageReady supplied. ImageReady had some powerful and easy tools for setting up Gif animations for example. ImageReady has enough features on it's own to warrant it's own book to understand them all. To attain the level of features ImageReady supplied you must have Fireworks. If you bought a stand alone copy of PSCS3 that means you will have to purchase Fireworks or something similar. Â If Bill purchased the design CS3 package he has Flash which does nothing to help him optimize images for the web. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericperlberg Posted June 15, 2007 Share #13  Posted June 15, 2007 Eric, Photoshop might be feature complete for posting to the web but from what Bill posted it certainly does not look quality complete. I beg to differ on having to buy now what ImageReady supplied. ImageReady had some powerful and easy tools for setting up Gif animations for example. ImageReady has enough features on it's own to warrant it's own book to understand them all. To attain the level of features ImageReady supplied you must have Fireworks. If you bought a stand alone copy of PSCS3 that means you will have to purchase Fireworks or something similar.  If Bill purchased the design CS3 package he has Flash which does nothing to help him optimize images for the web.  Gepetto, having tools for animated gifs, slicing images, creating image maps, roll overs and most of the other tools that ImageReady and Fireworks supply for web designers were not designed to be photographic tools regardless of how powerful they are in their own right (which clearly they are as Fireworks continues on as a product Adobe Fireworks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). Of course many of ImageReady's tools are/were simply recreations of Photoshop tools.  But I explicitly referred to not needing ImageReady/Fireworks for photography and certainly not the stuff that was originally asked about at the top of this thread.  I haven't a clue what you mean by "quality complete". I'm sure its going to be news to all the professional photographers who routinely use Photoshop. You might want to correct the information at Adobe ImageReady - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  There's little point for me in taking this discussion further unless there's something practical we can solve. If you want to dis Adobe and feel ripped off, that's ok with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gepetto Posted June 15, 2007 Share #14  Posted June 15, 2007 Eric  Bill posted images one optimized in PSCS3 and the other using ImageReady from CS2. Clearly the optimized ImageReady file looks much better. Apparently the "quality" of PSCS3 web ready engine is not up to the task of what ImageReady was supplying. Hence to complete such quality you are going to have to purchase Fireworks or the like.  Regardless whether ImageReady can or can not be used as a Photographic tool it came bundled with Photoshop since version 6. Now it has been removed forcing people who did use ImageReady and wanted it's functionality to have to purchase Fireworks. Especially since CS2 apps do not run native on Intel based Macs. I don't see what is so hard to see here and no need to get all huffy puffy over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericperlberg Posted June 15, 2007 Share #15 Â Posted June 15, 2007 Gepetto, Â Apologies for coming over as huffy. I really have nothing further to add that I haven't said above. Â Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gepetto Posted June 16, 2007 Share #16 Â Posted June 16, 2007 Well thanks Eric. And like wise to you. Â After all this could all be moot and a case of Bill just being to daft at using PSCS3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billh Posted June 17, 2007 Author Share #17  Posted June 17, 2007 \ I haven't a clue what you mean by "quality complete".  I know. I looked at your web page. It always helps me to understands someone’s attitude if I can see their photography.  I suppose I’ll have to take a look at Fireworks, or else continue using CS2.  Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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