disconnekt Posted August 3, 2006 Share #1 Â Posted August 3, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Just saw this announcement that the LX1 is already being replaced. Will Leica come out with their version of the new model? I love my D-Lux 2 but the new features on the LX2 (esp. wide screen and better noise reduction) really make me want to upgrade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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albertwang Posted August 3, 2006 Share #2 Â Posted August 3, 2006 Yeah, eventually. This camera is superior to be honest than the Dlux-1. That Dlux-2 will be out in probably 4-5 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted August 3, 2006 Share #3 Â Posted August 3, 2006 if you go to the panasonic site, they now have an extensive multi-page rundown of features (and the price is listed as 499.95 US). Â one new feature might be worth the price of the camera. supposedly you will be able to change the perspective on the lcd screen so you can shoot over your head (or hold the camera upside down and shoot from the waist?) this is a very clever answer to the flip out screen, which i've really missed. Â wayne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted August 3, 2006 Share #4  Posted August 3, 2006 The Leica D-Lux 2 was based on the Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX1. My understanding is that the last stock of Leica D-Lux 2 cameras was sold to dealers sometime ago leaving a void in the market lineup. (err what about a Digilux 3 folks)  It has been speculated that a new Leica D-Lux 3, based on the recently announced Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX2, might be introduced at Photokina 2006 in late September.  The DMC-LX2 offers numerous improvements over the DMC-LX1 including:  • reduced noise • higher and more usable ISO settings • faster processing • less battery drain • SDHC memory card support for capacities over 2GB • larger 16:9 wide 2.8" LCD with easier off angle viewing • improved full manual operation controls  More information can be had at the Panasonic Lumix Global DMC-LX2 webpage.  Oh, and besides a Leica version, which would offer better bundled software and longer warranty and would truly like to see MAC OS X support for Raw files from both the Panasonic and any possible Leica version as well as the original DMC-LX1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 3, 2006 Share #5 Â Posted August 3, 2006 The LX2 incorporates the Venus Engine III processor. The LX1 had the Venus Engine II. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gepetto Posted August 4, 2006 Share #6 Â Posted August 4, 2006 There are a few things with the D-Lux 2/LX1 that should be improved for the LX2/D-Lux3. Â In full manual operation the joystick is controling to many operations especially when using manual focus in manual mode. The way it is set up now it is to easy to change settings by accident when you really wanted to focus or vise versa. Manual mode should use the key pad for changing aperture and shutter speed as in the D1/LC5. The joystick can control focusing. Â In manual focus to activate the focus assist you must move the joystick which in turn changes focus. In manual focus a half press of the shutter button could activate focus assist. How it is now you must move the joystick to check focus. To much going on it should be simpler. Â The D1's LCD would give a true live exposure view in manual mode. When you change the aperture or shutter speed the LCD would change accordingly. This made for fast operation to attain correct exposure because you get real time visual feedback. The LX1/D-Lux 2 gives a false sense of exposure by ramping up the gain so the screen appears brighter in lower light situations. I would rather see in manual operation the LCD function like the D1 with the gain of the screen happening only for the area of the focus assist. Â For the display you should be able to turn off the LCD with the display button. Then a half press of the shutter button could bring the LCD back up. Â I think with these changes the D-Lux 3/LX2 could become much more intuitive in use. Â What are other users experiences with the D-Lux 2/LX1 in manual mode? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcwerner Posted August 4, 2006 Share #7  Posted August 4, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) • reduced noise • higher and more usable ISO settings Whether the LX2 really solves the noise issue remains to be seen. If it is just a more aggressive software noise suppression by reducing the quality of the image (like in the current FX01) the cure might be worse than the illness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted August 4, 2006 Share #8 Â Posted August 4, 2006 Maybe Leica zoom is actually capable of handling the extra sensor resolution. Â "You can emulate higher ISOs with the LX1 simply by dialing in -EV comp. Since Panny engineers are technicians not magicians, all they can have done in order to add the new ISO numbers is increase in-camera NR." the bunny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gepetto Posted August 4, 2006 Share #9 Â Posted August 4, 2006 imants Pany is right up front in saying just what Venus Engine III is up too. They don't mention any magic tricks. Â The operation of the joystick in manual mode can be like playing three card Monte though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted August 4, 2006 Share #10 Â Posted August 4, 2006 I don't think there will be a great difference between the LX2 nd LX1, except for once with the new 16:9 LCD screen I well be able to see/ fit in shots of the trout I catch fly fishing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 4, 2006 Share #11 Â Posted August 4, 2006 "more agressive noise-supression" or a new way (more sophisticated) of supressing noise? The new Venus Engine III deals separately with chroma and luminance noise, applying different methods for each of them. It is very likely that Canon is doing the same with their Digic II processor. Electronics (sensor and wiring design and manufacture) and software are two complementary ways in this race for lower noise and better image quality. Panasonic is accelerating its know-how, and improving a lot their products. The LC1 was impressive, but the LX2 will be one of the best compact cameras in the market and the L1 seems to be a great first step in a new line of reflex cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
supperman Posted August 4, 2006 Share #12 Â Posted August 4, 2006 Just shoot RAW. That's the answer. But it is one of my main complains about the D-lux2, that it takes very long to flush out RAW files. If they would to increase the buffer in the camera, I'd be happy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcwerner Posted August 4, 2006 Share #13 Â Posted August 4, 2006 Panasonic is accelerating its know-how, and improving a lot their products. The LC1 was impressive, but the LX2 will be one of the best compact cameras in the market and the L1 seems to be a great first step in a new line of reflex cameras. Â Wait and see. With every generation, Panasonic have announced to have solved the noise problem, yet it has never been competitive with e.g. Fuji or Canon as far as noise is concerned. While I like my FX01, it is usable only at low ISO. For acceptable results at higher ISO values (not very often), I must turn to my Canon ixus 700. Â There is a thread in this forum about L1 example shots, and it does not seem that noise at higher ISO settings is down to an acceptable level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
petermcwerner Posted August 4, 2006 Share #14 Â Posted August 4, 2006 Just shoot RAW. That's the answer. Â RAW does not reduce the inherent noise, it just allows you to deal with it via software such as Noise Ninja Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
disconnekt Posted August 4, 2006 Author Share #15  Posted August 4, 2006 Thanks for the input, folks! From everything I've read it looks like the LX2/D-Lux 3 will be a winner. It seems like it will address all of the shortcomings of the D-Lux 2, which is already a superb camera (IF you shoot raw—the jpegs are abominable!)  Now I just have to decide if this time I will go for the Panny version, or if I will hold out again for the Leica version! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
humanized_form Posted August 4, 2006 Share #16 Â Posted August 4, 2006 those lookng for the Venus III engine to help with the noise issues of the LX-2 might want to check out the Panasonic DMC-TZ1 review on dpreview.com. Â quoting from the dpreview.com: Â "Once again we've got an otherwise superb Panasonic camera with an excellent lens let down by a noisy sensor, which can only be disguised, not solved, by heavy-handed noise reduction. To be fair the output at lower ISO settings, combined with the 3 stop or so advantage you get from the OIS system makes the TZ1 a perfectly usable tool (not that this will help with moving subjects of course), but ultimately this camera is crying out for a better sensor, something no amount of Venus III smearing can disguise." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted August 4, 2006 Share #17 Â Posted August 4, 2006 Look, the dpreview review is horrible. I'm afraid that they pretend to use psycho-metric measures to achieve their results. In fact, if it isn't Canon they diss everything else. I think that Olympus never got a good review from them. Â I use the website to get the features but I distrust their results more than the recent FBI Plame leaks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted August 4, 2006 Share #18 Â Posted August 4, 2006 I'm sorry Alfie, but you are wrong. You often seem to believe what you want to believe rather than the facts. I picked the review of the Sony Alpha 100 because it was the last digital SLR that they have reviewed. Their conclusion... Â "My final rating? For me it's a fairly comfortable Highly Recommended, the A100 is a very capable camera with a wide feature set, a good range of manual controls and some unique developments. The built-in Super SteadyShot provides you with that little extra comfort level at slower shutter speeds and the ability to use longer lenses with more confidence." Â So would you say this is 'dissing' it because it's not Canon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gepetto Posted August 4, 2006 Share #19 Â Posted August 4, 2006 Steve U that is because DPReview is a shill for both Canon and Sony, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
langmjl1 Posted August 4, 2006 Share #20 Â Posted August 4, 2006 ..not to mention, but I will, the Highly Recommended review of the E-500. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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