MarkP Posted July 2, 2016 Share #61 Posted July 2, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I was just shit-stirring Neil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted July 2, 2016 Share #62 Posted July 2, 2016 I was just shit-stirring Neil.i know you were mate........ We're like two peas in a pod:) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted July 5, 2016 Share #63 Posted July 5, 2016 A few pictures taken with the S007 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/261982-leica-s-trade-up/?do=findComment&comment=3073679'>More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted July 5, 2016 Share #64 Posted July 5, 2016 A few B&W Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/261982-leica-s-trade-up/?do=findComment&comment=3073680'>More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted July 5, 2016 Share #65 Posted July 5, 2016 Last one Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/261982-leica-s-trade-up/?do=findComment&comment=3073682'>More sharing options...
EoinC Posted July 5, 2016 Share #66 Posted July 5, 2016 Is there any PP in these, Neil? It looks like the highlights are blowing out (might be the laptop I'm viewing them on). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted July 5, 2016 Share #67 Posted July 5, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Last one This looks good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted July 5, 2016 Share #68 Posted July 5, 2016 Is there any PP in these, Neil? It looks like the highlights are blowing out (might be the laptop I'm viewing them on).mate I just checked the histogram and highlights all look good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 5, 2016 Share #69 Posted July 5, 2016 The histogram is one thing....making smoke look like smoke, or snow look like snow, etc....is more a matter of judgment and what the eye sees. Especially in print. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted July 5, 2016 Share #70 Posted July 5, 2016 The histogram is one thing....making smoke look like smoke, or snow look like snow, etc....is more a matter of judgment and what the eye sees. Especially in print. Jeff thats my next question Jeff. How does one shoot snow without it looking grey. Is there a wee trick or is it more of a case of playing/adding with exposure compensation ?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 5, 2016 Share #71 Posted July 5, 2016 Lighting and experience....and a good eye in PP. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sog1927 Posted July 5, 2016 Share #72 Posted July 5, 2016 thats my next question Jeff. How does one shoot snow without it looking grey. Is there a wee trick or is it more of a case of playing/adding with exposure compensation ?? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If you're using autoexposure, then you'll have to apply compensation (if you're metering the snow itself). The light meter doesn't "know" that it's measuring something that's supposed to be "white, but with some texture". It's calibrated based on the assumption that it's measuring something of "average reflectance" (18% gray), so it tries to make whatever you're measuring turn out 18% gray/Zone V (unless you tell it otherwise). If you were using film, I'd tell you to place the snow in Zone VIII or Zone IX (in the simplest case, where you're not doing anything funky with development, give it 3-4 stops more exposure than a spot meter of the snow indicates). That would be enough to make the snow look "white" without blowing it out completely. Of course, you're not using film so you have to think about it a little differently. I haven't used the S007 (just the S006), so I don't know how the characteristics differ. You have more dynamic range than B&W film, but when the highlights are blown they're just gone (at least that's my experience with the S006 sensor). So, the important thing is to avoid blowing out the highlights completely, because you can adjust them in post-processing as long as there's still detail there. You may have to experiment a bit. I tend not to use autoexposure, because I am a cantankerous old grouch who spends way too much time with computers in his day job (software engineer). Rule of thumb for quick exposure: the palm of your hand is one stop brighter than 18%. This is pretty much universally true (regardless of ethnicity) and has saved more than one photographer in a difficult metering situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 5, 2016 Share #73 Posted July 5, 2016 And even with all that, a good eye and judgment in PP is critical for generating a print where one can 'feel' the texture of the snow. The difference between pretty close and outstanding is often very slight.....in the darkroom days, a few percentage points in exposure time. And not all snow scenes are lit the same, or even have the same color in the shadows, etc. Rules of thumb may get one close, but close isn't good enough for a print to 'sing'. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sog1927 Posted July 5, 2016 Share #74 Posted July 5, 2016 And even with all that, a good eye and judgment in PP is critical for generating a print where one can 'feel' the texture of the snow. The difference between pretty close and outstanding is often very slight.....in the darkroom days, a few percentage points in exposure time. And not all snow scenes are lit the same, or even have the same color in the shadows, etc. Rules of thumb may get one close, but close isn't good enough for a print to 'sing'. Jeff Absolutely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted July 6, 2016 Share #75 Posted July 6, 2016 As Jeff says, you need enough tonal gradation material to be able to differentiate the subtle definitions. The starting point is to make sure that your exposure captures this information, which is a balancing act of understanding how the sensor or film handles the upper range of highlights, and adjusting to suit, without destroying wanted shadow detail. Histograms (and the "j" key in LR) are useful, but they are just indicators, and have no aesthetic dimension. At all times, it is the final intended publication medium that should guide your inputs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted July 7, 2016 Share #76 Posted July 7, 2016 As Jeff says, you need enough tonal gradation material to be able to differentiate the subtle definitions. The starting point is to make sure that your exposure captures this information, which is a balancing act of understanding how the sensor or film handles the upper range of highlights, and adjusting to suit, without destroying wanted shadow detail. Histograms (and the "j" key in LR) are useful, but they are just indicators, and have no aesthetic dimension. At all times, it is the final intended publication medium that should guide your inputs. J key in Lightroom?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted July 7, 2016 Share #77 Posted July 7, 2016 J key in Lightroom?? Yes, in the Develop module. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted July 7, 2016 Share #78 Posted July 7, 2016 Yes, in the Develop module.what does it do mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted July 7, 2016 Share #79 Posted July 7, 2016 what does it do mate It indicates blocked highlights and shadows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted July 7, 2016 Share #80 Posted July 7, 2016 It indicates blocked highlights and shadows.same as the arrows on the histogram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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