the warrior Posted June 17, 2016 Share #1 Posted June 17, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Monochrom and 21 SA f4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GLOBETROTTER Posted June 17, 2016 Share #2 Posted June 17, 2016 Lovely shot !!!! Perfect B&W and so close that you can see his thoughts. Nice work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted June 17, 2016 Share #3 Posted June 17, 2016 Come on Jhon, that is a little disingenuous. I appreciate the artistic freedom that everyone has a right to own for themselves. No one is suggesting that you shouldnt do whatever you want to do. But you have to recognize that this IS a worldwide PUBLIC discussion forum - meaning that this is a TWO WAY street. It is not just a one way street in which you (and only you) get to pontificate to us about your pholisophy on life and your thought process on a given day (whether or not relevant to your photos, i am still trying to figure out ) and make quotes to us in your posts that have your own name attributed to them (sorry, i have never seen anyone do this before and i find it highly odd). You are taking full advantage of your right to speak your mind in this forum about your photos. Please make no mistake that we also have the same right. And the more that you pontificate, the more we have a right to respond in kind (respectfully, of course). I know very well that you are going to respond by saying that you do what you want and shoot how you want and it is your business and if we dont like then we can just not look. This is all well and good, but then again it is a simple fact that part of the enjoyment of this forum to some of some of us to comment and speak our minds. Just like we cant tell you not to have your fun with your pontification and quotations of yourself, you cant tell us not to get our own enjoyment out of this forum. No one is engaging in any personal attacks and it is really all about the images and how they are portrayed and so in my view anything goes! There, i have had my fun for the day! Your amigo, Adam Miller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted June 17, 2016 Share #4 Posted June 17, 2016 I would appreciate solid compositions and thoughtful images instead of a simple exercise of shooting people's faces as close as you can. You're maybe getting an adrenaline rush by shooting this way but nothing of it translates into my monitor. At least they are digital shots so you're not wasting money and time on Tri-X. This is where digital is really worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted June 17, 2016 Share #5 Posted June 17, 2016 Lovely shot !!!! Perfect B&W and so close that you can see his thoughts. Nice work. I don't "see" his thoughts at all. And I'm not interested in seeing them, as a viewer. All I see is that for the sake of being close a 50mm would be much more effective and with a better impact. What I want to see, as a viewer, is an appealing image with harmony, a thing that this image (and the usual uncomposed 40cm shots) has not. Besides the not so interesting character there is the whole right side of the image that is absolutely empty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roelandinho Posted June 17, 2016 Share #6 Posted June 17, 2016 I guess now going to get our friend roelandinho and say that this photograph likes most in color, which he likes more if the two men in the picture, maybe our friend likes more with a 50mm, or maybe does not like anything, sorry roelandihno, I like so and so I take my photos for me and how I want lol I hear his criticisms but that will not change my way of looking and seeing the world and people, if I do the photos that you would like then I am you, I am me and only me, I am not you, he does not believe?. I never criticize other photos, I think anyone gives me that right, each of us are different, we can not tell others how to see the world. This is a public forum. Why post an image in here if all you can stand to hear is "wow!", "nice!", "perfect!", or "great!"? If you agree that photography is a form of art, it deserves critical commentary and discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLOBETROTTER Posted June 17, 2016 Share #7 Posted June 17, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't "see" his thoughts at all. And I'm not interested in seeing them, as a viewer. All I see is that for the sake of being close a 50mm would be much more effective and with a better impact. What I want to see, as a viewer, is an appealing image with harmony, a thing that this image (and the usual uncomposed 40cm shots) has not. Besides the not so interesting character there is the whole right side of the image that is absolutely empty. I can't not believe it !!!!! I respect your opinion but a picture close like this one allows you to see much better gestures of the protagonist and the small details in his face, eyes that betray his mood. Of course using and 50mm lens you will get another kind of photo but with 50mm you have to place the subject with the around elements to create a street photo with context and here with the 21mm lens and so close distance i think is more useful for catch people feelings in fact to be involved in the action, more in the street with the people than a viewer from the distance. I think is a very Brave way to make photos.......not for everybody of course, i am not able to do, i prefer to use my 50mm but one day if needed i would like to get the acknowledge and courage to do this kind of shots. Everywhere there are EMPHY PHOTOS, in any street photography forum, photos that they have the title to be Steet photography but the only thing that i can see is a shot in the distance of people doing nothing at all. The pictures of Jhon can be discussed or polemics some times but just one think...... i Never Never seen an empty photo from hin......always there is a look, expression or action behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB23 Posted June 17, 2016 Share #8 Posted June 17, 2016 I can't not believe it !!!!! I respect your opinion but a picture close like this one allows you to see much better gestures of the protagonist and the small details in his face, eyes that betray his mood. Of course using and 50mm lens you will get another kind of photo but with 50mm you have to place the subject with the around elements to create a street photo with context and here with the 21mm lens and so close distance i think is more useful for catch people feelings in fact to be involved in the action, more in the street with the people than a viewer from the distance. I think is a very Brave way to make photos.......not for everybody of course, i am not able to do, i prefer to use my 50mm but one day if needed i would like to get the acknowledge and courage to do this kind of shots. Everywhere there are EMPHY PHOTOS, in any street photography forum, photos that they have the title to be Steet photography but the only thing that i can see is a shot in the distance of people doing nothing at all. The pictures of Jhon can be discussed or polemics some times but just one think...... i Never Never seen an empty photo from hin......always there is a look, expression or action behind. Once you get over the in-your-face one-trick poney you realize that wide and far compositions, when mastered, is the most powerful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted June 17, 2016 Share #9 Posted June 17, 2016 I can't not believe it !!!!! I respect your opinion but a picture close like this one allows you to see much better gestures of the protagonist and the small details in his face, eyes that betray his mood. Of course using and 50mm lens you will get another kind of photo but with 50mm you have to place the subject with the around elements to create a street photo with context and here with the 21mm lens and so close distance i think is more useful for catch people feelings in fact to be involved in the action, more in the street with the people than a viewer from the distance. I think is a very Brave way to make photos.......not for everybody of course, i am not able to do, i prefer to use my 50mm but one day if needed i would like to get the acknowledge and courage to do this kind of shots. Everywhere there are EMPHY PHOTOS, in any street photography forum, photos that they have the title to be Steet photography but the only thing that i can see is a shot in the distance of people doing nothing at all. The pictures of Jhon can be discussed or polemics some times but just one think...... i Never Never seen an empty photo from hin......always there is a look, expression or action behind. It is not enough to be close up and see details in peoples' faces. At a very minimum (i.e., w/o a strong compositional framework), the person at whom we are looking close up should have some above average level of interest, IMO showcased by some kind of beauty (or distinct look, or even lack of beauty to the point of being interesting), fashion or strong cultural aspect. I think that photos can work like this without a strong compositional framework, but the main subject has to attract sufficient interest. I tend to take the long view on this and, like wine, give credit to a photo that has the potential of growing with interest over time (as beauty, fashion and cultures change) (e.g., many of Winogrand's and Meier's photos are a LOT more interesting now than they were in the year in which they were shot simply due to the significant evolution in fashion, culture and sense of beauty). Strong composition is obviously very valuable, and can backstop uninteresting subjects quite effectively. This man may not be very ordinary to EVERYONE, but I think that as a general matter people would think consider this person to be ordinary looking and thus not that interesting to look at. The whole idea of how difficult it is to get up close and shoot people in the face like this really has no place in the discussion of whether the resulting photo is good. For some people the effort is not that great. So it is really relative and for some like me it doesn't resonate at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the warrior Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share #10 Posted June 17, 2016 Oh my God, what happened here ?? I can not leave them alone to you, if you are left alone seems to get into trouble lolI'm glad you like my pictures, my pictures are controversial and that's important, very important."Talk about my photographs, wrong or right, but talk about my photos", this quote is from a friend of mine, and he is quite right.I'm just saying that his criticisms do not change my way of seeing the world and people, some of you intended this with his words, that's all that seems to me to understand.I have a particular way of doing photography, some like and others do not, and this is great for me.I never criticize your photos, I am free to do so, each of you must be clear about what you do, if you are not clear should make efforts so, it is my opinion.Hello to all my friends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted June 17, 2016 Share #11 Posted June 17, 2016 Jhon - other than your student, no one has really had anything positive to say about the photo in this thread from the perspective of and in the context of photos with the level of interest that you have demonstrated the capability of producing. So i dont think there is anything particularly controversial about this photo. In my opinion it should not have been posted if you are trying to put your best foot forward with the world I find great interest in many of your photos. Just not this one. you will get opinions of others and then take them and do whatever you want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the warrior Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share #12 Posted June 17, 2016 My problem is my English, I do not try yop admiration nadoe, I just show my way of working and seeing, watching with my 21mm, do not know if this is understood.At the moment I am trying to meet this lens, just that. And another fact is that I tried once "that new friend" would appear here to talk about photography, and have successful ...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted June 17, 2016 Share #13 Posted June 17, 2016 Nice shot, well done, given the fact that it is not that easy to frame this with an M in this composition with a lens wider than 28. I am not completely convinced, because of the low contrast left above (his right eye), where I think it should be perfectly possible to get a good bite there from a MM file Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the warrior Posted June 18, 2016 Author Share #14 Posted June 18, 2016 Many thanks friends. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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