bono0272 Posted June 6, 2007 Share #1 Posted June 6, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I own a R 80mm F1.4 Summilux already, is it worth to spend money on another R90AA? Is there big difference on image performance between these 2 lenses? You know, in terms of focal length, these 2 lenses are very close to each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pascal_meheut Posted June 6, 2007 Share #2 Posted June 6, 2007 The 90/2 AA is incredibly sharp and contrasty. It is one of the best lenses I ever saw and indeed much better than the 80/1.4. For portrait, low light and so, the 80/1.4 is something different and one can prefer it. So the question is what kind of use you have for a 80/90mm... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted June 6, 2007 Author Share #3 Posted June 6, 2007 ....For portrait, low light and so, the 80/1.4 is something different and one can prefer it. ... Pascal, Do you mean the R90AA is not good in portrait but 80/1.4? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted June 6, 2007 Share #4 Posted June 6, 2007 Pascal, Do you mean the R90AA is not good in portrait but 80/1.4? Again, it depends. The 90/2 AA may be too sharp for portrait. Of course, you can use a filter or scan and post-process. At f/4 or f/5.6, the 80/1.4 is very sharp too but it has this special way of handling colors. It gave me some of the most beautiful portraits along with the M 75mm/1.4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zapp Posted June 6, 2007 Share #5 Posted June 6, 2007 I own a R 80mm F1.4 Summilux already, is it worth to spend money on another R90AA? Is there big difference on image performance between these 2 lenses? You know, in terms of focal length, these 2 lenses are very close to each other. Why did I order the 90AA to replace the 80? 90 is lighter, smaller, and focuses closer than the 80. 90 is sharper wide open - check Erwins Photosite to compare the looks of a portrait and the background bokeh taken with a classic 85 mm Zeiss (similar to 80 lux) and the 90AA version for M. I prefer sharpness and at close range the extra f-stop of the lux makes no difference in DOF - at the same time the 90AA focuses closer than the 80. Also, I assume the 80 may be replaced sooner than the 90AA. The 90AA probably works better on digital cameras - but you want a fullframe digital for portraits with the 90. I replace my 80 with the 90 as I will not carry two lenses of such similar focal length around with me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted June 6, 2007 Author Share #6 Posted June 6, 2007 Zapp, I have the same concern as you. If I finally get the 90AA, most likely I will have the 80 lux sitting in the dry box forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted June 6, 2007 Share #7 Posted June 6, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I would go with the 90mm APO over the LUX. I had a 80mm Summilux and I didn't like it. Here is a picture from the 90mm APO Summicron-R. It does a fine job at portraits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted June 6, 2007 Share #8 Posted June 6, 2007 Here is a picture from the 90mm APO Summicron-R. It does a fine job at portraits. Yes, works for my 4 years old son perfect skin too. My wife is another story... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted June 6, 2007 Share #9 Posted June 6, 2007 Yes, works for my 4 years old son perfect skin too. My wife is another story... You can always soften a lens using photoshop or a softar filter, but you can't make a soft lens sharp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telewatt Posted June 6, 2007 Share #10 Posted June 6, 2007 and here is a picture with the Summilux.. ...my lens for "people"..I do 80% of my jobs with this lens... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! regards, Jan Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! regards, Jan ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/26059-r90aa-and-r80-summilux/?do=findComment&comment=275074'>More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share #11 Posted June 7, 2007 May be I have to keep both the R90AA and 80 lux. That will be a lot of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgcd Posted June 7, 2007 Share #12 Posted June 7, 2007 I think you may find two camps here. I also much prefer the 90 to the 80. I have used both and but opted for the 90. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
masjah Posted June 7, 2007 Share #13 Posted June 7, 2007 I've had no experience of the 80, but I've got the 90/2AA, and it is wonderful. It is ruthlessly sharp, so the results out of the box (without a softening filter or a bit of Photoshop modification) can at times be a bit unflattering for portraits. One somewhat perverse alternative I have tried (on those very few occasions I've taken a portrait!) is to use a 50/2 with a 2X Extender - roughly the same focal length but not quite so unforgiving. Maybe worth a try if you've got these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfarkas Posted June 8, 2007 Share #14 Posted June 8, 2007 My vote is for the 90 APO as well. It is a much better handling lens than the 80 Lux. Focus is smooth and fast. Great contrast helps the viewfinder image snap into focus, without second guessing. The 90 is also lighter and smaller, about the same size and weight as a 50 Lux. Takes the 2x APO Extender to become a 180 f/4 APO, which is still pretty sharp and takes up so little space. You can even use this combo as a macro setup in a pinch. Wide open it is a dream, isolating subjects in sharp focus against smooth OOF backgrounds. Really very 3D look with great color and overall clarity. Hmm... do you think I might actually like this lens? I also like the M version as well. Good luck. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted June 8, 2007 Author Share #15 Posted June 8, 2007 There should be only one version of R90AA, the one with ROM. Am I correct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted June 8, 2007 Share #16 Posted June 8, 2007 There should be only one version of R90AA, the one with ROM. Am I correct? You may or may not be correct Unless the physical design of the lens prevented it, Leica would make to order the modern glass in three cam as well. I suspect the rear element of the 90mm is too big to allow room for the three cams. To be really safe when buying Leica glass, ask if it has ROM contacts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bono0272 Posted June 9, 2007 Author Share #17 Posted June 9, 2007 I just got a 2nd hand R90AA Will try this weekend with the DMR. Well I am not quite sure the product line, but if we quote a R90AA, it must be a ROM lens here in Hong Kong. The version w/o AA is a 3-cam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telyt Posted June 9, 2007 Share #18 Posted June 9, 2007 There should be only one version of R90AA, the one with ROM. Am I correct? Mostly. This lens can be retrofitted with the Leicaflex cams (which are 'outboard' of the R cam so lens diameter makes no diff) so that it can be used on the SL2. The rear of the lens protrudes too deep to use on the SL or Leicaflex Standard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicar888 Posted June 12, 2007 Share #19 Posted June 12, 2007 Last year I exposed three rolls of film of a father, mother, and 2-year-old child with my R8 and 50mm and 80mm lenses throughout most of the shoot with b&w film. At the end, I put my 90mm AA on the R8 and exposed about 15 images of all three on color film. Upon giving all images to the parents, the wife suddeny exhibited a horrific look with a gasp and exclaimed, "Oh, no--look at my double chin and my skin flaws!" This was due to the incredible sharpness of the 90mm lens. Needless to say, she never let me photograph her again. Many females are ridiculously sensitive about their faces and the rest of their bodies, so this lens must be used judiciously! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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