leicapages Posted May 10, 2016 Share #1 Posted May 10, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) While using the S Typ 006 in Iceland, I have now run into a very strange issue. After switching on the camera (GPS enabled) and focusing, I am often not allowed to release the shutter. I push the button and nothing happens. Regardless whether using the focal plain shutter or central shutter of the lens. Only after some time (typically between 5 to 10 seconds) the shutter can be released. After that first shot, no problem for the next ones in the same session. After the camera has gone into sleep again, or is switched back off and on, or changes location, the issue reappears. I heard from another Leica S user in Iceland that he had been running into the same kind of trouble. The issue seems to be linked to GPS. The workaround would be to switch off GPS, but that, of course, is too drastic and takes away one of the camera's useful features. Anyone experiencing the same kind of behavior in the high north, or elsewhere? I have not encountered this issue in continental Europe, only in Iceland so far. Thanks. Pascal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jip Posted May 11, 2016 Share #2 Posted May 11, 2016 I had the same problem with my S-E 006. It was shipped back to Wetzlar and they changed the whole electronic board in the camera, haven't seen the problem as of yet anymore. But only got it back a short while ago, so don't know for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicapages Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted May 11, 2016 I had the same problem with my S-E 006. It was shipped back to Wetzlar and they changed the whole electronic board in the camera, haven't seen the problem as of yet anymore. But only got it back a short while ago, so don't know for sure. did you get that also up north or in continental Europe as well? I am trying to determine if the problem is limited to that geographical area or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted May 12, 2016 Share #4 Posted May 12, 2016 Another possibility is that the lag is caused by a slow SD or CF card boot-up. I realized early on that when you use a 32GB or larger card in the 006 line, the camera can take anywhere from 5 to 20 seconds to recognize the large card. Obviously you cannot shoot during this time. I spoke to David Farkas about this years ago and the solution is obvious: keep the camera on and disable the automatic power switch... It is easy to prove. Just turn on your camera and see if the correct number of files left appears quickly in your screen next to the shutter speed knob... Albert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted May 13, 2016 Share #5 Posted May 13, 2016 Mine randomly had the problems, Norway, Netherlands, etc. I didn't think or test if it was geographically related. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicapages Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share #6 Posted May 16, 2016 Update: after discussion with the Leica S technician during my visit to Wetzlar, it seems the issue is known to them. It would be GPS-related, in the sense that the GPS signal has difficulty to be picked up in some areas of the world, including in the high north. Because of the way in which priorities have been programmed in the camera firmware (sequencing of card search - GPS - shutter release), the shutter release is, as it were, "held up" by the processor being busy with the GPS. Workaround for the moment: switching off GPS (but of course that takes away one of the camera's advantages) or leave off the power saving feature so that it is always "on" and the issue only happens with the first image of a session after switching on the camera. They informed me they are working on a fix, that would be pushed out in a future firmware update. Such update would be pushed out when a new lens is released. Let us hope so, as this is an annoying bug. Pascal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted May 16, 2016 Share #7 Posted May 16, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Interesting, I had the same problems with the S006 in Norway, but never could figure out why. 007 is OK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan.y Posted May 16, 2016 Share #8 Posted May 16, 2016 Update: after discussion with the Leica S technician during my visit to Wetzlar, it seems the issue is known to them. It would be GPS-related, in the sense that the GPS signal has difficulty to be picked up in some areas of the world, including in the high north. Because of the way in which priorities have been programmed in the camera firmware (sequencing of card search - GPS - shutter release), the shutter release is, as it were, "held up" by the processor being busy with the GPS. Workaround for the moment: switching off GPS (but of course that takes away one of the camera's advantages) or leave off the power saving feature so that it is always "on" and the issue only happens with the first image of a session after switching on the camera. They informed me they are working on a fix, that would be pushed out in a future firmware update. Such update would be pushed out when a new lens is released. Let us hope so, as this is an annoying bug. Pascal So the problem doesn't occur indoors or where there is no GPS signal at all, but only where there's weak signal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicapages Posted May 16, 2016 Author Share #9 Posted May 16, 2016 So the problem doesn't occur indoors or where there is no GPS signal at all, but only where there's weak signal? From what I have experienced, it does not happen inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted May 17, 2016 Share #10 Posted May 17, 2016 GPS takes longer to align further north hence why it happens in the north and not indoors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan.y Posted May 18, 2016 Share #11 Posted May 18, 2016 Because there are fewer satellites up north? Same if you go south? I can understand that. What's weird is the design decision. The fact that the freeze up doesn't happen indoors suggests clearly that it was a conscious decision to prioritize gps alignment (when available) over shutter release, which is baffling to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan.y Posted May 18, 2016 Share #12 Posted May 18, 2016 Never mind. Just read the above explanation about the processor being busy. Ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Richardson Posted May 18, 2016 Share #13 Posted May 18, 2016 I am the photographer in Iceland who spoke with Pascal about it. The problem was driving me nuts, but since I live here, I eventually figured it out, as it would be a problem nearly every single time I used the camera outside. It does not happen inside. It only really happens when the camera is fully shut down and then turned on. It seems that even if the camera automatically powers off, it still remembers the GPS signal for a few minutes. But if you have not shot for more than ten minutes or so (estimate!), then the next time it comes on, it will not shoot for about 45 seconds after turning on. When I was trying to figure this out, everyone assumed it was a card issue or some other problem, but by filming the camera doing it, and describing exactly what was happening and looking at the raw files to see if there were any problems (there weren't), they figured it out. I had tried to turn off the GPS and see if it still happened, and it did not seem to, but it was hard to test, as the problem was fairly sporadic, and as I said, once the camera found the GPS, you would need to wait quite awhile before it lost it again and the problem could be replicated. Anyway, I hope that they fix it eventually in firmware, as for me at least, it is a big pain since it affects the camera every time I use it outside. That said, once you know what is going on, it is not hard to work around...I generally just pick up the camera and turn it on before anything else (setting up a tripod etc), and most of the time the delay is not a big deal. Once in awhile though, it is a real pain and can lead to a missed shot. I mostly shoot landscapes when I am outside, so it is not as critical, but for someone doing sports in Iceland with an S (haha, not very likely!), it would be killer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dritz Posted June 5, 2016 Share #14 Posted June 5, 2016 I had this same experience today with my S-E in Cleveland (USA). I did turn off the GPS just to conserve battery life at the event I was shooting, believing that the camera will apply the last GPS reading as a default. It was sporadic behavior. I'll see if I can repeat this observation regarding the GPS. Thanks for bringing this up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicapages Posted June 5, 2016 Author Share #15 Posted June 5, 2016 I had this same experience today with my S-E in Cleveland (USA). I did turn off the GPS just to conserve battery life at the event I was shooting, believing that the camera will apply the last GPS reading as a default. It was sporadic behavior. I'll see if I can repeat this observation regarding the GPS. Thanks for bringing this up. Cleveland? That's rather odd as it does not really qualify as the high north When I was visiting the Faroe Islands a few weeks ago (halfway between Scotland and Iceland) I was using a loaner S Type 007 from Leica Wetzlar and, for what it is worth, the issue did not appear. Someone mentioned in this thread that the issue would only appear with the S Typ 006. Can other users corroborate that? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 17, 2016 Share #16 Posted June 17, 2016 can you not just turn off the gps until leica fixes the problem with a update?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicapages Posted June 17, 2016 Author Share #17 Posted June 17, 2016 can you not just turn off the gps until leica fixes the problem with a update?? Uh ? See the original post. Switching off the GPS from the camera would take away a lot of its appeal to me. Moreover Leica is touting the GPS feature on the S camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted June 18, 2016 Share #18 Posted June 18, 2016 Uh ? See the original post. Switching off the GPS from the camera would take away a lot of its appeal to me. Moreover Leica is touting the GPS feature on the S camera. With the GPS on your camera is not working, with it off it will work......its up to you but if you want to take pictures then turn it off until Leica fix it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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