wparsonsgisnet Posted June 5, 2007 Share #1 Posted June 5, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just bit the bullet and bot an Epson 2400. I've been using both Ilford glossy and museum board as well as Epson glossy and would like to move to archival papers, that is the papers with the longest life for both color and b/w. Would you monsters tell me what you use? I expect to select one or more papers and also have Edmund build me a profile for this printer. Thanks in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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G Radda Posted June 5, 2007 Share #2 Posted June 5, 2007 Hello Bill, I have been using the Epson 4800 for about a year, uses same K3 inkset as the 2400. I have had very good results with MOAB Entrada paper (matt surface). There is a natural surface which has no optical brightners and a bright surface that does. I also use Hahnemuhle William Turner for an even more textured surface. With both papers I found I have to lightly brush the surface prior to printing to remove any dust that can later sluff-off. I have been using ColorByte ImagePrint RIP with very good results. I believe the version for the 2400 is about half the price of the version for the 4800. Regards George Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmb_ Posted June 5, 2007 Share #3 Posted June 5, 2007 Hi Bill, I am no expert but I have been doing some research because I also just bought a printer (Epson 3800) and am trying to get up-to-speed. Here is a good source for some information on longevity: Wilhelm Imaging Research They actually do the testing. Three papers to look at for B&W are Innova FibaPrint White Gloss (f-type gloss), Hahnemuhle FineArt Pearl, and Crane Museo Silver Rag. Innova: Innova Digital Art Hahnemule: Hahnemühle - The Art of Expression since 1584 Crane: Museo - Fine Art Digital Inkjet Paper by Crane & Co. I found a good review comparing all three papers here: Innova F-Type Gloss Ultra Smooth Review I bought some of the Innova and the Hahnemuhle and both are excellent. I am very satisfied with these. I also like the Crane Museo and the Hahnemuhle Photo Rag. I have purchased from Inkjetart.com and from atlex.com. Both places have sample packs as well. The papers I mentioned are pricey. There is some good and helpful information on the inkjetart site also. I am not certain about the archival quality of the papers I mentioned but the quality of the prints is superb. Hope this helps. Let me know if you find something good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted June 6, 2007 Author Share #4 Posted June 6, 2007 I have decided to set my wife up in a consulting business for members of the Leica Forum. Last nite I told her I had had to buy a new printer because my Epson 2200 had died and I couldn't print. I went on to explain how I got a refurb, still got the rebate, and got free shipping. I added some details on how I already had some prints commissioned, and paused for breath. She said, "Well, you need things that cost a lot." Rule number two in the book says: Do not sell past the close. So I kept my mouth shut, but I'm working on incorporation, office space, and a website concept. Let me know if you think you will be needing consulting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boilerdoc Posted June 6, 2007 Share #5 Posted June 6, 2007 Bill, the Innova paper is superb and you can leave your glossy ink cartridge in. Altho, with the 3800, you already do that, but no 'cleaning' of the lines necessary if you are already using the PK ink. Try them all from injetart or atlex and see for yourself. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
norm_snyder Posted June 7, 2007 Share #6 Posted June 7, 2007 A strong vote for Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 308. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flatfour Posted June 7, 2007 Share #7 Posted June 7, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) You guys may not believe this - but try it. If you just want a good quality 10x8 print on a matt surface which is bright and true it's worth buying a packet of TESCO matte coated inkjet paper. 100 sheets for £6 ! Worth every penny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjmcsu Posted June 7, 2007 Share #8 Posted June 7, 2007 Bill, Good luck with the new printer.Your last statement of getting a profile is right on.I have been profiling & linearizing(density ) color & B & W (linearizing) printer/paper combinations for about 8 years now using Ergosoft products(Color GPS & PosterPrint) both CMYK built systems.My B &W(Epson 7500 converted to 6 ink black/grey) work has been with the Piezo (J Cone) system & Epson Ultrachrome matte black inkset(7600).I've profiled many a paper(Epson, Moab,Bergger,Hahnemuhle) & when it comes down to it I've settled on the Hahnemuhle papers.For matte papers B & W, Photo Rag (308gsm) is fabulous.The color work on this paper is also excellent.They also have papers with more texture which act similarly(William Turner).I have not tried the Innova line but here they are also quite good & good value. The Hahnemuhle papers are more expensive but again I feel I get the best output with them.There is always a new & better paper & for years I tried & profiled them all.My best advice find one or two & stick with them ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share #9 Posted June 7, 2007 Many thanks for all the feedback. I have used the Hahnemule in the past and still have 8x10 in the box. I'll experiment with the 13x19 in the 308 and also with b/w. I'll finally get Harrington's RIP for the b/w. And, I'll report back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted June 7, 2007 Share #10 Posted June 7, 2007 Bill, One thing that's getting overlooked here, with blanket recommendations, is understanding the trade-offs between unbuffered vs. buffered paper, the presence or lack of optical brighteners (OB), and matt vs. glossy issues. They all play an important role in the life of the print and should be part of any serious discussion and consideration concerning archival papers above and beyond finish and brightness alone. One paper that has not been mentioned which should be considered is PremierArt Hot Press Fine Art paper. I would suggest acquiring samples of any and all papers that interest you and running some tests on things like tonality range including deepness of blacks and highlight and shadow detail rendering. Additionally, I personally would forgo the route of a custom profile and instead go with the ColorByte ImagePrint solution. This is a product that was developed for and is targeted towards fine art digital prints. One advantage is that ColorBytes provides a wide array of profiles for all types of papers and quickly adds supports for new papers as they become available. Geoff www.myspace.com/geoffotos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share #11 Posted June 7, 2007 Geoff, I'm with you on all your recommendations. 1. I'm searching for some Wilhelm stuff on the Hahnemule at least, and am also looking at some sprays to handle the flaking problem. I'll take recommendations from people on sprays and what they do to the colors and so on. 2. I am very interested in the colorbyte solution but not so much in the $1k pricetag (for the 2400). If I get there it'll be a slow process based on the items in the priority list at the moment. First, I need to get back in the printing business (2200 has been unreliable for some time), to get better archival longevity, to do some b/w, and to stabilize (what, in this business???) and make dependable the printer output. As the M8 wb may still be sliding sideways and I haven't been able to print, I'm anxious to take some small steps. I certainly don't like the prints I get from the pro shop I've been using. I need to make my own again. Thanks, you're right on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff Posted June 7, 2007 Share #12 Posted June 7, 2007 Bill, Take a look at the PremierArt Print Shield spray. It’s highly rated and has been tested and recommended by Wilhelm Research. Additionally, it is also available in a water based eco friendly version, PremierArt Eco Print Shield. I would suggest that you evaluate your sample paper test prints after being treated by any protective coating. Geoff www.myspace.com/geoffotos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted June 7, 2007 Author Share #13 Posted June 7, 2007 Thanks, Geoff. I've been looking at that spray. It looks like the trick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemayeux Posted June 7, 2007 Share #14 Posted June 7, 2007 FWIW - I would also stay away from the Niagra Ink System. I bought it for my 2400 and I wound up going back to the Epson cartridges. You might look at Red River Paper online. They have a nice selection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted June 7, 2007 Share #15 Posted June 7, 2007 Hi Bill, just discovered your post so I will let you know what I'm doing. I have an Epson 3800. I've printed on just about everything out there (seems like, anyway). At the moment (subject to change at any small whim I develop) I'm printing with Hahnemuhle William Turner for 8 1/2 x 11(matte), Hahnemuhle Fine Art Pearl (luster) Epson Velvet Fine Art for 13 x 19 (matte) and Epson Premium Luster 13 x 19. I've also had good luck with Moab. I haven't had much luck with glossy papers other than Epson. I tried the new Crane Silver Rag and found it similar to the Hahnemuhle Fine Art Pearl. I thought the D-max was better with the Hahnemuhle. However, I've since learned that the Hahne uses optical brighteners which, at the moment, seem to be a photo life shortener and I will be returning to the Crane, especially since I'm ready to start printing 17 x 22:D I plan on trying the Hahnemuhle Photo Rag Pearl 320 soon, though. I would suggest you read everything you can lay your hands on about the subject, but start with an article in Photo Techniques, Jan/ Feb, 2007. I think it's online at Photo Techniques Magazine - The Magazine dedicated to professional photographers. Luminous Landscape also has some articles of a similar vein, but I tend to take Reichmann's stuff with a grain of salt as he is a bit too quick to jump on the bandwagon of newly introduced items as the latest and greatest (witness his debacles on the M8 and Canon i9900 printer), strictly my own opinion by the way:) Good luck, John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B&W Posted June 7, 2007 Share #16 Posted June 7, 2007 Bill, please try the Epson double-sided matte paper. The surface is really smooth. A bit better than the Archival I also use Epson Luster witch gives the best density and details of the Epson papers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted June 8, 2007 Share #17 Posted June 8, 2007 Oops! My bad. I meant the Canon i5000! Gee, some reporter I'd make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivi1969 Posted June 8, 2007 Share #18 Posted June 8, 2007 Hello Bill, I used to have an Epson 1280 and I bought the Piezography kit for it. Let me tell you that those prints in cotton-fiber paper with 6 grayscale tones of carbon pigments are very very nice, better than the K3's. The tonal range gets to another level. I trhink this is the link: Piezography Home Page Regards Ricardo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jelderfield Posted June 8, 2007 Share #19 Posted June 8, 2007 Do you guys recommend the 3800 and 2400 epsons? I'm about to pull the trigger on a new printer in the next few days and am considering these 2. My 1270 died several months back and I need to get back into the swing of things. Thanks. Jonathan Elderfield Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted June 8, 2007 Author Share #20 Posted June 8, 2007 You can look at the Epson site, but I believe they use the same inks, the 3800 will make bigger prints, the 3800 uses bigger carts, and the 3800 also holds the extra black cart so you don't lose ink by changing from gloss to matte. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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