Maybe 3 tilt/shifts on the way

[Jeff S]

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I know that some S users have been asking for T/S lenses for quite a while.  I wonder what this says about Leica's focus on the SL system compared to the S (whether or not an adapter might facilitate broader use).

 

[A production M60 type camera would be somewhat surprising given rumored sales of the limited edition....but sure to appeal to some here....posted separately for discussion on the 'M speculations' thread.]

 

Jeff

[darylgo]

Leica needs to practice their T-S lens skills on the SL prior to the S  .

 

The 24-90 is a lens I would love to shoot on my M, if only possible and the new T-S may be enough to break down the resistance to moving into the SL system for me.

 

Since we are talking rumors here, might the 3 SL lenses = 2 SL + 1 S lens?   The 30mm T-S lens was in the original roadmap for the S at introduction.   

[cpclee]

Not sure how reliable this rumor is as 3 T/S lenses for one system seems a bit much...  Nevertheless it's nice to see Leica continuing to fill the gaps in their catalog resulting from the discontinuation of the R system.  I would love to see AF primes ranging from very wide to very long but Leica is likely to be very cautious with these as the R primes remain very good and there are many of them out there and it's not clear how many AF primes will get sold if they make these.

[AndreasAM]

If Leica really want to serve serious Leica photographers doing architecture and Landscape, they should look at the Hasselblad HT/S 1.5 solution. 

Tilt and Shift, where the back (Camera) should shift and not the lens and the front (the lens) tilt, to prevent parallax problems. All horizontal and vertical movements, preferably up to 18 mm.

I can imagine this as a really good solution. The Leica S lenses 24, 30 and 50, with a slightly bigger COC can be used with a Leica SL and a HT/S adapter Leica style. This could prevent the crop factor 1,5 the Hassie HT/S has.  All electronically coupled so corrections for the lenses and for the possible distortions and colorshift for shift and tilt etc are possible, while also preserving the lens details in the DNG files.  Perhaps some Sinar knowledge and experience introduced here?

 

This will definitely will make me jump on the SL-bandwagon Asap. Certainly when the sensor of the SL will evolve to 36 Mpx in future iterations

 

I just always loved the way Hassie solved these problems with the Flex and Arcbody and now doing it again with the HT/S, although they are not going wide enough for the moment, due to crop factor restraints. But reading Ming Thein in his loyalty statement, as Ambassador to Hasselblad, there will be a solution soon.

 

So for me, I would look at both options, if and when, to serous invest for shooting architecture.

[ramarren]

I could be tempted by a T/S lens. I don't really need it, but for both architecture and panorama work it would be nice. 

I could be even more tempted by a production version of the M Edition 60 ... 

 

I look forward to seeing what is introduced. 

[brill64]

Not sure how reliable this rumor is as 3 T/S lenses for one system seems a bit much...  Nevertheless it's nice to see Leica continuing to fill the gaps in their catalog resulting from the discontinuation of the R system.  I would love to see AF primes ranging from very wide to very long but Leica is likely to be very cautious with these as the R primes remain very good and there are many of them out there and it's not clear how many AF primes will get sold if they make these.

 

as per Canon, a 17, 24 & 45mm t/s doesn't seem unreasonable judging by how many forum members have been fitting them successfully to their M-240's. respectfully, it seems quite viable especially where professional use is concerned.

[jaapv]

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Still, the market for T/S lenses must be miniscule compared to for instance a Summilux 35, 90  macro, and certainly 1.4x tele-extender.

 

Andreas' idea might be more viable.

[AndreasAM]

Still, the market for T/S lenses must be miniscule compared to for instance a Summilux 35, 90  macro, and certainly 1.4x tele-extender.

 

Andreas' idea might be more viable.

 

And Leica should do it sooner than later.

 

When I follow the news from Hasselblad, they are coming up strong again with the latest H6D (50 MP is 25.000 Euro's), so they are competing now with P1 on price level, but for the moment with better specs.

And when I read the interviews with the new CEO from Hasselblad, mr. Oosting, they have serious plans for the future, no lunatic Lunars anymore.

 

Rumours are floating around on other MF-forums of a completely new mirrorless MF "V"-camera coming in the next months with a "reasonable" price level. And he is really looking at the Leica market and Leica marketing strategies. So maybe a price range between the SL and the S?

I wouldn't rule out an even better solution for architecture, product and landscape shooting,  with an "no-crop" HT/S or Arcbody style for this camera.

 

Apparently the R&D department is running at full throttle and they have got money again...for an even smaller market niche than Leica is aiming at. The "creatives" as mr. Oosting put it.

 

And where are the new products from Sinar? Still no news from them after Leica bought it!

[ramarren]

Slightly off-topic ... If Hasselblad (or anyone else) would just come out with a digital back (that doesn't suck) that would work on the SWC and provide full-format (or at least 1.1x crop square format) at a price that would not require I put my mother's grave in hock (after everything else I owned of course) to acquire, I'd be in heaven. 

 

The SWC is the main reason I still occasionally shoot 6x6 film. The Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5 fitted to the SL, set to square format and f/4-f/5.6, finally nets a 16Mpixel image that's close to the SWC in its rendering and imaging qualities. 

 

Leica SL + Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5 

ISO 400 @ f/6.8 @ 1/60

[AndreasAM]

 

Slightly off-topic ... If Hasselblad (or anyone else) would just come out with a digital back (that doesn't suck) that would work on the SWC and provide full-format (or at least 1.1x crop square format) at a price that would not require I put my mother's grave in hock (after everything else I owned of course) to acquire, I'd be in heaven. 

 

The SWC is the main reason I still occasionally shoot 6x6 film. The Super-Elmar-R 15mm f/3.5 fitted to the SL, set to square format and f/4-f/5.6, finally nets a 16Mpixel image that's close to the SWC in its rendering and imaging qualities. 

 

 

 

 

I am with you here, my 903 SWC would be serious back in business then.

I am also dreaming of a fat pixel 36 or 50 Mp 56x56 mm. sensor, but......

 

I don't think Hasselblad will cater new sensors for the old V or SWC anymore.

A new FF MF sensor, 1:1, or 1.1:1, would be a very big novelty! Who would have the courage to develop such a sensor for such a small market right now? There are big bucks needed for R&D and it will be no cheap solution for the buyer either. It will be, more likely, an evolutionally road for FF-MF that will be beyond my horizon.....

 

If (a big if) they, or Fuji,  will come with a mirrorless MF-solution, the next months, then Hasselblad will perhaps make it to look like a modern SWC (nostalgia is fashionable), but with new lenses, new hardware, a new improved sensor(back?) (would like a 36x36 or 44x44, but it will be likely the current "crop"size 44x33) aimed at new (young) customers (the Instagram generation), no crop factor anymore. this is were Hasselblad was/is famous for and so they will keep their market niche. The sensor should be capable of handling WA and UWA lenses (and adapters for Leica S-lenses, as a trade deal?).

If they want to re-establish the brand as innovative and for the "creatives" this would genuinely be a big step forward. Tempting me to go overboard.... and swim to Sweden again.

 

When such a MF mirrorless solution comes, I think a viable future for technical camera's will become a difficult one (save for museum work, archive reproduction etc.), even more so when there will be architectural, product and landscape solutions with intelligent adapters, like the HT/S, digital Arc and Flexbodies.

 

Now I think that all the prosumers want that!!

 

Back on topic:

For Leica/Sinar a similar evolution in developing smaller portable solutions for "tech" camera's can be achieved here. Cambo, Arca Swiss and Alpa are becoming stronger in this field every year. Sinar is stalling!?

 

So an adapter for the SL or S with tilt, shift and digital corrections for these movements. The short focal S lenses have enough quality to function with movements, without the crop.

 

Rent, steal or borrow this technology from Hassie if needed!!

 

 

By the way, I like your "SWC" pictures on the SL very much, unique B/W style, nice subjects and detail, superb presentation. Keep them coming! 

[brill64]

Still, the market for T/S lenses must be miniscule compared to for instance a Summilux 35, 90  macro, and certainly 1.4x tele-extender.

 

Andreas' idea might be more viable.

reluctantly...but agreed