Peter Kilmister Posted March 4, 2016 Share #21 Posted March 4, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Tobers, Indeed, welcome to the forum. Loved your photos and contribution. Thank you. Landscape is perfect with a Leica M. Maybe the S produces better images, being medium format, but it is a big weight to lug around. I use my M for landscape work all the time. Where I live there is not much else. I even photographed pony prints in mud recently. Yes, that is landscape too! The photos were very well received on 'Leica Fotopark'. Have fun with your work, which looks fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ernstk Posted March 4, 2016 Share #22 Posted March 4, 2016 Those are lovely photos (and I'm not showing bias, being Scottish!)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieg Posted March 7, 2016 Share #23 Posted March 7, 2016 The Lee Seven5 filters are all "hard" as per their larger 100mm system. Because the filter size and lenses are much smaller in the Seven5 setup, "hard" actually works out as "soft" in these smaller filters. I'm confused by this. My understanding is that the seven five system is for smaller format sensors (APSC M43 etc). The graduations therefore, are occurring over a shorter distance on the filter surface and would therefore be "harder" when used on a full frame 35mm camera. I have continued to use the 100mm system, which is even more bulky. Am I missing something? However.... I fully agree, though, that the M240 is a great landscape camera! My son and I camped overnight at Sprinkling Tarn and summited Scafell Pike last month. The M was in a pouch on my rucksack belt for "grab shots" along the way. Didn't have time to use the tripod. All images on M240 and 35FLE https://www.flickr.com/photos/67936096@N07/24964018084 https://www.flickr.com/photos/67936096@N07/25594477085 https://www.flickr.com/photos/67936096@N07/25501798421 https://www.flickr.com/photos/67936096@N07/25501796871 https://www.flickr.com/photos/67936096@N07/25475901832 https://www.flickr.com/photos/67936096@N07/24964007944 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/257566-leica-m-winter-landscaping-field-test/?do=findComment&comment=3003730'>More sharing options...
stephengv Posted November 2, 2016 Share #24 Posted November 2, 2016 Well written and great shots. I have a 21 CV, 35 Cron, 50 Cron and 85 Tele Tessar. And I am planning to shoot landscapes. The 21CV has magenta color cast, hence I'm thinking of getting either the Leica 21 3.4 or just the 28mm Elmarit. Is the 28mm Focal length sufficient for landscape? or do I really need a 21? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted November 2, 2016 Share #25 Posted November 2, 2016 Andrew, thank you for an interesting and analytical report of your time in Scotland. Your photographs reveal your eye for a picture and skill in execution. I also love the M for landscape and travel and, like others, do not regard the camera as essentially a 'street' camera. I was initially surprised by the high proportion of shots taken with the 90mm lens. However, once used, it is easy to concentrate on looking for fragments of a landscape which suit its narrower angle of view. I do agree with your point about taking an Elmarit version rather than the faster Summicron. The Elmarit range tends to be thought of a slightly inferior to the faster versions sharing the same focal length. Not so, in my experience. I have the Elmarit versions of 21mm, 28mm and 90mm and am astonished by the quality results of which they are capable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernstk Posted November 2, 2016 Share #26 Posted November 2, 2016 Well written and great shots. I have a 21 CV, 35 Cron, 50 Cron and 85 Tele Tessar. And I am planning to shoot landscapes. The 21CV has magenta color cast, hence I'm thinking of getting either the Leica 21 3.4 or just the 28mm Elmarit. Is the 28mm Focal length sufficient for landscape? or do I really need a 21? I'm not sure that you 'need' a 21. I use a 21mm Elmarit and a 35 'Lux pre for landscapes and I use both equally as much. The 21mm can be more dramatic so it's down to personal choice. I have no doubt that a 28mm would work very well for landscapes but it comes down to how you use it. Ernst PS I've just checked out your tumblr gallery. Great photos! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted November 2, 2016 Share #27 Posted November 2, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) As someone who has recently acquired his first 21,the SEM, I would say that every landscape photographer would benefit from it, but not all the time. You get more of the lens in your shot than longer focal lengths - it says "tjis was definitely taken with a wide angle". This is fine, but a lens that doesn't announce itself is good as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted November 2, 2016 Share #28 Posted November 2, 2016 Well written and great shots. I have a 21 CV, 35 Cron, 50 Cron and 85 Tele Tessar. And I am planning to shoot landscapes. The 21CV has magenta color cast, hence I'm thinking of getting either the Leica 21 3.4 or just the 28mm Elmarit. Is the 28mm Focal length sufficient for landscape? or do I really need a 21? I used to think that WA lens is best for landscape (I use 28mm and occasionally 15mm) but there are many photographers who prefer long lens for landscape. Take a look at this page. It is just a matter of training yourself to be able to visualize the landscape through longer lens. It has totally different look. http://www.andymumford.co.uk/blog/using-a-telephoto-for-landscapes/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted November 2, 2016 Share #29 Posted November 2, 2016 In many ways I agree with @:jmahto. 35mm can be wonderful for landscape. 50mm also works at times. 90mm can be stunning. Maybe it depends on correct visualisation at the time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted November 2, 2016 Share #30 Posted November 2, 2016 I can't believe anyone imagines there is a particular focal length for a landscape. The scene is there. It is this wide. You are standing here. The focal length that gets it all in is a given. Every scene is different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted November 2, 2016 Share #31 Posted November 2, 2016 Some of the best landscape photos ever taken were produced by early photographers who had their butler carry all the heavy kit to the top of a hill for them so that they could compose their one-off shot onto a plate negative. They then had to spend time in the darkroom with all those horrible chemicals to produce a plate positive. Ain't life easy these days. All we need to do is change a lens if needs be. What's the problem ... except the butler seems to have disappeared! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted November 2, 2016 Share #32 Posted November 2, 2016 Some of the best landscape photos ever taken were produced by early photographers who had their butler carry all the heavy kit to the top of a hill for them so that they could compose their one-off shot onto a plate negative. They then had to spend time in the darkroom with all those horrible chemicals to produce a plate positive. Ain't life easy these days. All we need to do is change a lens if needs be. What's the problem ... except the butler seems to have disappeared! Butler will be nice... to carry my Scotch and then bring me down from the mountain top after Scotch is over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray1684 Posted November 3, 2016 Share #33 Posted November 3, 2016 Been wanting to use my M for some landscape shoots, but having difficulties with metering. Quick question; do most of you use the advanced metering? or use a light meter? Also wondering what would be a good CPL to use with my 35mm cron v4? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobers Posted November 3, 2016 Author Share #34 Posted November 3, 2016 I've now moved from the 28 to a 24 Lux which is really just sheer indulgence on my part. Re the earlier question about 100mm v 75mm Lee filters. My view is that, because Leica lenses are so small relative to their SLR counterparts, and the entrance diameter is generally far smaller, the 75mm filter system works just fine. The smaller diameter means that the hard graduated filter "graduation" is gentler than it would be on a larger diameter big SLR lens. Additionally the 75mm system can't really be used on a wide angle SLR lens like a 16-35 or 24 because their filter thread diameters are larger than 75mm. I have no issues with the 75mm filter holder getting in shot with my 24mm lens even when stacked with a polariser. For @Ray1684, for metering I just use classic mode, point the camera at the scene, and take a test shot then adjust accordingly having checked the histogram. I'll usually know whether it'll need filtering or not from experience. The CPL I use is a Lee one which fits onto the Lee Seven5 system. Beware reflections from light hitting the back of the CPL though - I usually cover my camera with a cloth to avoid these. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 3, 2016 Share #35 Posted November 3, 2016 Been wanting to use my M for some landscape shoots, but having difficulties with metering. Quick question; do most of you use the advanced metering? or use a light meter? Also wondering what would be a good CPL to use with my 35mm cron v4? Thanks. Actually I use a Sekonic. If not. I prefer spot meterin the most relevant middle-grey-like part of the image, then check the histogram for clipping, assuming there is time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean-Michel Posted November 3, 2016 Share #36 Posted November 3, 2016 Well written and great shots. I have a 21 CV, 35 Cron, 50 Cron and 85 Tele Tessar. And I am planning to shoot landscapes. The 21CV has magenta color cast, hence I'm thinking of getting either the Leica 21 3.4 or just the 28mm Elmarit. Is the 28mm Focal length sufficient for landscape? or do I really need a 21? I just posted something about the VC 21 on the lenses thread. The magenta cast is not an issue if you set the profile to the Elmarit in the camera; and/or use Cornerfix; or use the VC 21 profile in Lightroom; or if you work in black and white. Jean-Michel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieg Posted November 3, 2016 Share #37 Posted November 3, 2016 I've now moved from the 28 to a 24 Lux which is really just sheer indulgence on my part. Re the earlier question about 100mm v 75mm Lee filters. My view is that, because Leica lenses are so small relative to their SLR counterparts, and the entrance diameter is generally far smaller, the 75mm filter system works just fine. The smaller diameter means that the hard graduated filter "graduation" is gentler than it would be on a larger diameter big SLR lens. Additionally the 75mm system can't really be used on a wide angle SLR lens like a 16-35 or 24 because their filter thread diameters are larger than 75mm. I have no issues with the 75mm filter holder getting in shot with my 24mm lens even when stacked with a polariser. For @Ray1684, for metering I just use classic mode, point the camera at the scene, and take a test shot then adjust accordingly having checked the histogram. I'll usually know whether it'll need filtering or not from experience. The CPL I use is a Lee one which fits onto the Lee Seven5 system. Beware reflections from light hitting the back of the CPL though - I usually cover my camera with a cloth to avoid these. Exactly re: filter sizes relative to the front lens diameter and sensor size. I was at Photokina in September and had a chance to chat to Jon from Lee Filters (used to work at Robert White) his explanation was exactly that. Lee have also been very helpful in that the graduations between the 100 and 75 series are comparable, but "one step out" relative to one another. So my understanding is that a soft 75 is equivalent to medium 100, medium 75 equates to hard 100 etc,etc Very helpful chap and a useful conversation. Only problem is that as my regular landscape camera kit is M240 with m lenses, I feel that a "smaller 75" kit may now be in the offing.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest )-( Posted November 4, 2016 Share #38 Posted November 4, 2016 I enjoyed the images in your review Andrew, great stuff, especially "Canisp and Suilven mountains overlook Loch Druim Saurdalain near Lochinver," in colour and many more of the monochrome ones. I'd echo that the M lenses work well with the Lee 75 system, having used them on both M digital and film. I found the soft grad more useful than it was for me with the 100 system. I have a full 75RF setup, though I sometimes consider trading it out for the 100mm again, for SLR times. I really enjoyed your images in your review as well Andrew, great stuff, especially "Canisp and Suilven mountains overlook Loch Druim Saurdalain near Lochinver," in colour and many more of the monochrome ones. And I should add that I've had plenty of shots ruined from forgetting the 'scrunchie on the lens mount' issue with the M digitals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernstk Posted November 4, 2016 Share #39 Posted November 4, 2016 Been wanting to use my M for some landscape shoots, but having difficulties with metering. Quick question; do most of you use the advanced metering? or use a light meter? Also wondering what would be a good CPL to use with my 35mm cron v4? Thanks. What difficulties are you having? I use classic metering, expose for the sky (and sometimes still select -0.7 exposure compensation, if the sky is very bright.) There is a lot of latitude in post processing but try not to over expose the highlights. Ernst Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted November 5, 2016 Share #40 Posted November 5, 2016 I also use classic metering and only time you have to be careful is in extremely WA lens when clouds can over expose if you slightly point your camera down. I always adjust my exposure in PP and have no issues with in camera metering. But then again I am not professional. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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