Rick Posted February 1, 2016 Share #21 Posted February 1, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I believe some are using the overall weight of a pack or a person to measure the weight of the M against. But, this isn't the point. Nor is the point that I should lose 2 lbs instead of complaining. I'm lean enough, thank you. Come to the Pacific Northwest and climb Mt. Rainier with me... you can carry my M240 and lenses since it is so light. I carried heavy Nikon gear for years and just got tired of lugging it around. In the 90's I put it all into a closet and never shot it again. I never touched it again. I fell back on my climbing camera, the Olympus XA. I played around with digital and liked the little Ricoh GR, but the files were terrible. In 2007 I heard about the Leica M8. As I've written here many times, I actually never heard of Leica cameras. The M8 was small and relatively light compared to what I'd have to buy if, I went back to Nikon. I traded in a suitcase of old Nikon gear and bought the "tiny" M8. Now, we have witnessed what Sony has done with size. I'd now like Leica to start back in the direction of the M2. Not because I need to lose weight or because, I can't carry it in a pack. But, because, I like shooting a small, lightweight camera. I am so over shooting a pro-camera. Leica. Give me an M camera I can get into a coat pocket. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ECohen Posted February 1, 2016 Author Share #22 Posted February 1, 2016 I believe some are using the overall weight of a pack or a person to measure the weight of the M against. But, this isn't the point. Nor is the point that I should lose 2 lbs instead of complaining. I'm lean enough, thank you. Come to the Pacific Northwest and climb Mt. Rainier with me... you can carry my M240 and lenses since it is so light. I carried heavy Nikon gear for years and just got tired of lugging it around. In the 90's I put it all into a closet and never shot it again. I never touched it again. I fell back on my climbing camera, the Olympus XA. I played around with digital and liked the little Ricoh GR, but the files were terrible. In 2007 I heard about the Leica M8. As I've written here many times, I actually never heard of Leica cameras. The M8 was small and relatively light compared to what I'd have to buy if, I went back to Nikon. I traded in a suitcase of old Nikon gear and bought the "tiny" M8. Now, we have witnessed what Sony has done with size. I'd now like Leica to start back in the direction of the M2. Not because I need to lose weight or because, I can't carry it in a pack. But, because, I like shooting a small, lightweight camera. I am so over shooting a pro-camera. Leica. Give me an M camera I can get into a coat pocket. Rick Thank You I was starting to think it was me......I loves the Olympus XA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted February 1, 2016 Author Share #23 Posted February 1, 2016 a pocket size M will not be an M Maybe not but it should be possible to get a similar IQ and simple design for less the 2 pounds I know I'll get slammed for this, but look at Sony........a terribly designed camera in so many ways, but it is small, light and a great IQ ( that could use some "Leica style" tweaking ) I use the M for its simplicity in design so other cameras are not an option for me..... but in the 21st century the M or some other letter should be smaller thinner and weigh less than a pound. This group doesn't demand it so why should Leica bother? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted February 1, 2016 Share #24 Posted February 1, 2016 I would love to climb mount Reiner with you and carry your M pack... No problem. But the trip is on you. Lol Rick my friend most of us here have lugged around cameras for a long time I repealed down into the cave of swallows with backpack full of Hassy and Nikon gear for 9 days in a row on an asianment 20 years ago . Lugged a Sinar all over Algonquin park for an entire month. It's all about the image and a pocket size M will not be an M . So like I said look at some other manufacturers I am sure you can find a nice pocket rocket It's Mt. Rainier. Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerndReini Posted February 1, 2016 Share #25 Posted February 1, 2016 I think the Q might fit the bill. I'm hoping for a Q with a 40mm lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted February 1, 2016 Share #26 Posted February 1, 2016 It's a good think Oskar Barnack didn't post on this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bencoyote Posted February 1, 2016 Share #27 Posted February 1, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) The M262 shed a hundred grams... that's pretty significant from the 680 gram body of the M240. But... that's like three and a half ounces. The Ike weight of your socks... or your keys. True but having shown they can drop 100g maybe they do a bit better. What I would like is to put that 100g in my pocket and hope for just a bit better in the next M with live view. 1) Aluminum vs brass top like the 262 2) Replace the bottom plate with a S,T,SL kind of battery 3) Move to the latest generation of battery technology to reduce size/weight for approximately the same number of shots. 4) (maybe) I don't know if going to a milled aluminum main body case would be lighter while being as rigid and durable as how their built now but I'm kind of a fan of that construction and design aesthetic. I think with the SL they could have done slightly better with the ergonomics but since it isn't going to be a camera that I have for quite a while, I'm not worried about it. I do think that there may be some weight reductions and manufacturing cost reductions to be had using that construction for the M. Especially if it doesn't require 45 min of hand polishing because it is largely covered in leather or whatever they are using these days. I'm not going to complain too much about a the size and weight of my kit on a daily basis. However, I do feel it when running without a backpack. Yeah, I do run with a camera in my hand. If it is a good distance to get to where I want to shoot then, then it goes into a light compact backpack. Backpacking is the other time that I would be grateful for a slightly lighter kit. Carrying anything is a chore when you are lugging it up and down mountains along with everything you need and all your food around for 5-7 days. All that being said with the M240 I'm going to wear out my M before upgrading. It is at a level where it is sufficient and mostly I need to become a better photographer rather than have more or better equipment. The M is the first camera that I felt that with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted February 1, 2016 Share #28 Posted February 1, 2016 What gives me a chuckle is someone ranting over a 100g difference between bodies but think nothing of carrying multiple fast, ASPH lenses which have much lighter counterparts, often in a heavily-padded canvas bag perhaps even with leather trim and a non-elastic strap. My travel kit includes the lightest lenses (21/4 CV, 35/2 v.4, 50/2 "tabbed", 90/2.8 "thin T-E") carried in a ballistic nylon Domke F5XB with an elastic Optech strap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted February 1, 2016 Author Share #29 Posted February 1, 2016 What gives me a chuckle is someone ranting over a 100g difference between bodies but think nothing of carrying multiple fast, ASPH lenses which have much lighter counterparts, often in a heavily-padded canvas bag perhaps even with leather trim and a non-elastic strap. My travel kit includes the lightest lenses (21/4 CV, 35/2 v.4, 50/2 "tabbed", 90/2.8 "thin T-E") carried in a ballistic nylon Domke F5XB with an elastic Optech strap. Actually I'm ranting over caring a camera that weighs more than 2 pounds. We deserve it to be less a lot less....IMHO I no longer carry a bag/kit just a camera and one lens. I choose Cron's (35 &50) for their size. I pick a lens for the day and stick with it. I may put a 21 f/4 Voightlander my pocket ......again chosen for the size and weight. I appreciate everyone talking about cutting 100Grams but thats not enough for me. As a point of reference I started out lugging Speedotorn 2401's on location than when I needed new lights I went to Dynalights Now that I'm retired I want things to weigh as little as they can. I used to shoot with 2 assistants now, it's just me and a camera..... very liberating and fun....Nobody enjoys schleping and it's not a badge of honor how heavy your kit is. It the enjoyment and the photos you return with. Remember, I'm talking pleasure shooting, not jobs...... thats different. This weight thing with me is all about having fun with my craft....thats it. And in the 21st century it shouldn't be hard to do Boca nice kit ....looks like you have it down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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