Akaki Posted January 17, 2016 Share #1 Posted January 17, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Dear Members After some descusion with my printer we took Baryta Rag for print B&W photography. Epson pro is a printer for B&W. this is a professional printing company. I am happy with result, but one small thing, the black is not really black, is kind of very-very dark brown. Paper is warm white glassy. I am looking for on other paper, any suggestion? Or your experience? Thank you very much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Geoffrey James Posted January 18, 2016 Share #2 Posted January 18, 2016 This is hard if you don't do it yourself. I favour Canson Baryta, but maybe you are using Hanhnemuhle. Both fine. The best way to do this is by proofing. Have your people used the advanced B/WQ controlled by the printer, go to Advanced Settings, set for neutral, and then you can dial in a hint of warmth -- but not brown or sepia. I use 3 horizontal, 6 vertical. Does this make sense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 18, 2016 Share #3 Posted January 18, 2016 Canson Baryta is my favourite for Monochrom images. No complaints about the blacks (Canon 9500 Pro+ Canon inks) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akaki Posted January 18, 2016 Author Share #4 Posted January 18, 2016 Thank you very much, I am working with Canson ® Infinity Baryta Photographique 310 gsm, Baryta archival papers. The black is not Braun, but the creamy white which is warm, change nature of black colour. I Try to make big print around 130cm. For me this is a best example. I can see all nuances. and also I try with an other one this a new Baryta photographique 310 with barium sulphate. The new papier on the market, Before when I work with film I was using for B&W Ilford, I like it… the printer is really good http://photorotation.com/about/, I inform you about results on this post. But thanks a lot for your suggestion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 18, 2016 Share #5 Posted January 18, 2016 I would not describe the white base on Canson Infinity Baryta as warm.....that would be the Canson Platine Fibre Rag, which I also use if I'm seeking a warmer tone. For me, different images require different renderings...in tonality, texture and size....so I stock various papers to suit. Deep blacks are possible with any of these papers with proper processing, settings and lighting conditions. Softer blacks are more common with matte papers, but even those come in a variety of tones and textures. One can additionally tone in PP, or split-tone, prints for an even greater range of effects. I agree with the comment above that, for best results, one should do his/her own printing and experiment. Just as in the darkroom days, the same tools and materials can exhibit a wide range of results...intended or unintended, depending on the eye and skill of the user. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeuBu Posted January 19, 2016 Share #6 Posted January 19, 2016 After testing about 30 different papers (incl. Canson's, Hahnemühle's, ...) I'm using since 2 years Harman by Hahnemühle Matt Cotton Smooth, and sometimes Gloss Baryta. Both papers are whiter than all other Baryt Papers (with little OBA), but povide a very neutral look and feel. Concerning tonality in general it's neccessary from my point of view to calibrate the paper-printer combination and using in photoshop (e.g. with Epson 3880) the advanced BW driver from Epson PLUS the self-generated profile from the calibration. That works at least in Windows. I heard from a friend, that the Mac-drivers from Epson are somehow different and may not provide this option.TING??? Happy printing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted January 19, 2016 Share #7 Posted January 19, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) If you are looking for black, I would not use a matte or rag paper. I have one box of Hahnemuhle photo rag. When I soft proof it, it is like watching someone put a gray transparency over the photograph. Contrast is lost throughout the photograph. The only time I would use a matte paper is for a high key photograph, or maybe a portrait that I wanted to appear "soft." Of course this is all a matter of personal taste, so to know you must experiment. I have had very good luck with Hahnemuhle Fine Art Baryta and Hahnemuhle Baryta FB for black and white printing. I would strongly recommend investing a relatively nominal sum in a sample pack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 19, 2016 Share #8 Posted January 19, 2016 If you are looking for black, I would not use a matte or rag paper. Matte and rag are of course not synonymous; he uses Canson Infinity Baryta, which is a glossy rag paper, fully capable of lush deep blacks. I have the prints to prove it ....and others with softer black tones....because I made it that way. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Lowe Posted January 20, 2016 Share #9 Posted January 20, 2016 If you are looking for black, I would not use a matte or rag paper. I have one box of Hahnemuhle photo rag. When I soft proof it, it is like watching someone put a gray transparency over the photograph. Contrast is lost throughout the photograph. The only time I would use a matte paper is for a high key photograph, or maybe a portrait that I wanted to appear "soft." Of course this is all a matter of personal taste, so to know you must experiment. I have had very good luck with Hahnemuhle Fine Art Baryta and Hahnemuhle Baryta FB for black and white printing. I would strongly recommend investing a relatively nominal sum in a sample pack. I really like Hahnemuele FA Baryta, too. Hahnemuele also sells a "warmtone" Baryta through their Harman brand that I really like a lot. I've gone through sample packs from Moab, Museo, Hahnemuele, and Harman... the Hahnemuele FA Baryta and Harman Gloss Baryta Warmtone are the two I keep coming back to. I also like Moab's Slickrock Metallic Pearl, but it's not very subtle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akaki Posted January 20, 2016 Author Share #10 Posted January 20, 2016 Thank you very much for your comments, I try all your sugestions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted January 20, 2016 Share #11 Posted January 20, 2016 I really like Hahnemuele FA Baryta, too. Hahnemuele also sells a "warmtone" Baryta through their Harman brand that I really like a lot. I've gone through sample packs from Moab, Museo, Hahnemuele, and Harman... the Hahnemuele FA Baryta and Harman Gloss Baryta Warmtone are the two I keep coming back to. I also like Moab's Slickrock Metallic Pearl, but it's not very subtle. I tried the Moab Slickrock. Saying it isn't subtle is an understatement. Was not to my taste at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshua Lowe Posted January 20, 2016 Share #12 Posted January 20, 2016 I tried the Moab Slickrock. Saying it isn't subtle is an understatement. Was not to my taste at all. There are two Slickrocks. "Pearl" and "Silver." I bought a box of each. The metallic I don't really like, it's way over the top. The pearl is far more subdued. I printed a photo of a lighted staircase in a darkened room and the pearl effect gave the lighted sections an extra glow without looking gimmicky. It's still what I would call "situational", though... as in over using it would be akin to a certain movie director's addiction to lens flare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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