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The ZM 35/2 suffers from focus shift and is normally calibrated for f/2.8. This causes front focus at f/2 which leads reviewers to believe it is soft wide open. In fact this is one of the ZM's sharpest lenses, and stopped down even beats the ZM 35/1.4 especially in zone B. When I owned this lens my biggest problem was how to avoid moiré :)

 

PS. The 35 cron asph clearly beats it at f/2, even when well focused but the Biogon will be miles ahead at other apertures.

 

Not my experience. I had a Biogon, sold it and got the Cron Asph.

I did try it with not on my M9 but on my wife's Fuji and a friend's Sony.

The Cron as always sharper wide open and then when stopped down things became equal-ish.

That doesn't mean the Biogon wasn't sharp, it's really sharp too.

 

But maybe I had a bad copy of a Biogon and a good copy of a Cron Asph? Who knows?

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

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Not my experience. I had a Biogon, sold it and got the Cron Asph.

I did try it with not on my M9 but on my wife's Fuji and a friend's Sony.

The Cron as always sharper wide open and then when stopped down things became equal-ish.

That doesn't mean the Biogon wasn't sharp, it's really sharp too.

 

But maybe I had a bad copy of a Biogon and a good copy of a Cron Asph? Who knows?

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

Everything's possible :)

 

There are several comparisons on diglloyd that are very informative, including also the 35 fle and the ZM 35/1.4.

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Time for revitalisation of the thread!

 

Anything to report about the new triple? The new 28 Elmarit looks promising - any experiences/news for the others?

It would be interesting if such phenomenon is due to (1) moving exit pupil or (2) adjust for cover glass thickness or (3) both.

 

Only the (1) will make this elmarit perform equally well on all Leica M bodies.  If so I think I would want to bit the bullet and update mine. :)

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Time for revitalisation of the thread!

 

Anything to report about the new triple? The new 28 Elmarit looks promising - any experiences/news for the others?

 

 

YES! I just bought the new Summicron 28, I once owned this one on my M8, and had many regrets after I sold it when I stepped over to M9. Did not re-buy it, because it is not my super favorite angle. However, when I saw it standing on the counter of my dealer today, I was baffled by the enormous gain in compactness of size with this new hood. It is such a perfect design now, very concise, comparing to the old one with - what becomes clear now -  that very ugly and cumbersome hood with that returning struggle to (un)mount it (also known from the Elmarit 24mm).

Here's an example from my M9, with wonderful full colors and a bo-keh that strongly reminds of the late and honored 35 Summicron IV. At 2.0 of course. Erwin Puts once used the metaphor for judging lenses with the question: do you like Rembrandt or Vermeer? Well, this is definitely Vermeer (whom I prefer above Rembrandt btw). 

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Here's an example of the detail of fabric, formerly only really possible to this extent with tele-lenses, crop from a 2.0 capture.

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Otto, thank you so much for the first samples. I have been waiting for them! Can you do us (=me) a favor and take some samples images shot against the sun (bright light source)? Version 1 was known for it's recognizable flare effect, which I am not always a fan of. I am wondering if version II has been improved in this regard.

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No sun here today. But I do not recognize your statement about flare. The Summicron 28 is one of the most flare-resistant lenses of Leica, if not the most. Of course you can drive every lens to flare results if you don't use the (right) hood and shoot with the sun or lightsource just outside the frame. I know that people tend to use the first version of this apo without the hood because it was that big, but this has nothing to do with photography imho. 

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No sun here today. But I do not recognize your statement about flare. The Summicron 28 is one of the most flare-resistant lenses of Leica, if not the most. Of course you can drive every lens to flare results if you don't use the (right) hood and shoot with the sun or lightsource just outside the frame. I know that people tend to use the first version of this apo without the hood because it was that big, but this has nothing to do with photography imho. 

 

First of all I think the Summicron 28 is an amazing piece of glass. Love it's rendering style. Fantastic balance of new and old in same package. But I am talking about that recognizable "flare blob" the Summicron produces in right conditions when sun is in the frame. Very J.J. Abrams style, personally I'm not a big fan. It is possible early serial numbers are more prone to do this (just my speculation). Here are some examples what I mean:

And yes, I know all wide angles have some flare. But in my opinion that flare blob is very distinct for Summicron 28. I do wish it would be better controlled. I'm just about ready to pull the plug on second hand Summicron 28mm, but now I am thinking if version II is improved here. And would be nice to see if the contrast and resolution has improved too... :)

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Otto, thank you so much for the first samples. I have been waiting for them! Can you do us (=me) a favor and take some samples images shot against the sun (bright light source)? Version 1 was known for it's recognizable flare effect, which I am not always a fan of. I am wondering if version II has been improved in this regard.

 

But this is what you asked for. I see no flare in quite a flare-prone situation, done as I explained in #211. I used the hood of course

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First of all I think the Summicron 28 is an amazing piece of glass. Love it's rendering style. Fantastic balance of new and old in same package. But I am talking about that recognizable "flare blob" the Summicron produces in right conditions when sun is in the frame. Very J.J. Abrams style, personally I'm not a big fan. It is possible early serial numbers are more prone to do this (just my speculation). Here are some examples what I mean:

And yes, I know all wide angles have some flare. But in my opinion that flare blob is very distinct for Summicron 28. I do wish it would be better controlled. I'm just about ready to pull the plug on second hand Summicron 28mm, but now I am thinking if version II is improved here. And would be nice to see if the contrast and resolution has improved too... :)

 

 

The examples you show are completely normal and even used as an esthetic tool by moviemakers and less often photographers. Even in movies these flares are added in, in postproduction when it did not work out in the first place as an optical phenomenon.

But the phenomenon you are showing is not flare: it is the inner reflection of the diaphragm. Flare is the reduction of contrast in parts of the image caused by a light source shining into the lens.

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Otto,

 

Thanks for the images. What I'd like to see is a profile of this lens with the hood on. Leica has seen fit to show this only from the front. Hardly indicative of the size of the lens, especially given the importance the new hoods have been given in Leica ad copy.

 

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s-a

 

I agree that the new hoods are very important. I hear that Leica intends to implement them for the whole range, which is especially very necessary for the Summilux 50 as well as for the Summicron 50.

This new Summicron 28 feels just a little bit smaller as the Summilux 35FLE

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I agree that the new hoods are very important. I hear that Leica intends to implement them for the whole range, which is especially very necessary for the Summilux 50 as well as for the Summicron 50.

This new Summicron 28 feels just a little bit smaller as the Summilux 35FLE

 

 

I found the new lens hoods all looking the same a nuisance in the camera bag.

 

I only have the 35 FLE and the 21/3,4 with the new lens hood and I make the mistake all the time.

 

I have to look at the yellow painted focal number on the side to be sure instead of finding them quickly by feeling.

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Yes I see that coming with my 35FLE and the new Summcron28, I will find a trick for that and it is worthwhile, far better hoods in all aspects

 

Use a silver paint felt tip and mark the lens caps. 

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First of all I think the Summicron 28 is an amazing piece of glass. Love it's rendering style. Fantastic balance of new and old in same package. But I am talking about that recognizable "flare blob" the Summicron produces in right conditions when sun is in the frame. Very J.J. Abrams style, personally I'm not a big fan. It is possible early serial numbers are more prone to do this (just my speculation). Here are some examples what I mean:

And yes, I know all wide angles have some flare. But in my opinion that flare blob is very distinct for Summicron 28. I do wish it would be better controlled. I'm just about ready to pull the plug on second hand Summicron 28mm, but now I am thinking if version II is improved here. And would be nice to see if the contrast and resolution has improved too... :)

 

These are just normal sunburst patterns and not flare.  This is one of the most flare resistant lenses.

 

Also, the link you have to digipixelpop is a poor review and they even disclosed at the end of the article that they had a bad copy that flared.  If, you go to the end of the review they state they received a new copy and had no flare problems.  

 

Tim Ashley, that you linked to, is a cool guy and a member that started a website that was really pretty good, but he got hung up in field curvature, sharpness and in the end tried to hang the mantle of "boring lens" on the 28 Summicron.  It didn't stick.  A lens or thing can't be boring.  

 

The 28 Summicron is an "exciting" lens and focal length (kidding).  :rolleyes:  But, this is my most used lens.  

 

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