pgk Posted January 13, 2016 Share #61 Posted January 13, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) That being said we are talking here of tools made in a competitive environment and many of us, if not all love this Leica brand for various reasons so it is justified and useful to compare with other makers and expose the true capabilites and limitations of Leica stuff. Whilst I do agree to an extent, the problem is one of expectation versus practicality. Cameras designed for hand held use are not easily comparable to camera backs primarily intended for tripod or studio flash use. The idea that high levels of resolution are achievable are correct only under specific conditions (actually some of the images linked to in this thread were shot at slightly wider apertures than might have been ideal for the subject matter probably because smaller apertures would have reduced resolution). True capabilities are often linked to limitations, something that we are prone to forgetting in the frenzy to find ever better figures to satisfy our desire for the 'best'. For myself I enjoy the RF system. I don't like live view nor do I like eves. I am happy to accept the limitations placed on the M RF system and see little point in comparing it to others which may be capable of higher specification of image but come with a vast amount of undesirable facets for me too. The SL sounds like a great camera but for several reasons is not suited to what I do, unfortunately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted January 13, 2016 Share #62 Posted January 13, 2016 I agree with you, this is true also with a drawing, some very small drawings convey an incredible sense of space and volume, the talent and content does transcend any medium limitation. That being said we are talking here of tools made in a competitive environment and many of us, if not all love this Leica brand for various reasons so it is justified and useful to compare with other makers and expose the true capabilites and limitations of Leica stuff. My comments were not Leica-specific....applies in general to photography today, unfortunately. Less is often more. I actually prefer smaller prints for many of my compositions, allowing one to see the entire geometry of the image without a wandering eye. But there are also many good things about gear choices and technology these days, and I suspect that many if not most folks here use multiple brands. Horses.....etc. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 13, 2016 Share #63 Posted January 13, 2016 Guess I need a bigger printer. Any suggestions, Rick? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 14, 2016 Share #64 Posted January 14, 2016 Phase one has a new medium format back numbering 100MP (11608x8708) At the conservative value of 360 dots per inch (human eye can discriminate much more) it is possible to print with acceptably good quality up to 24x32 inches wich translates in 60x81cm. They do not claim more as i read here. Now 24 MP (5952x3976) with the same parameters gives: 16,53x11,04 inches wich makes a print measuring 28x42cm, 30x40 following the old photographic paper sizes So now it is up to anyone to see what they really need or want knowing that digital can be much less beautifully enlarged than good old film. 24MP or 20, the new professionnal Nikon, is good enough for A4 and up to A3 pages. In the past decade, I've made at most 50 prints larger than 11x17 inch in size. All the rest, of the thousands I've made, are 11x17 inch in size or smaller. I do not know what people do with a bazillion 30x40 inch, or larger, prints. I see very few homes that have space anywhere for such large prints. Do you all sell prints to vast acres of wall space in huge industrial buildings? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 14, 2016 Share #65 Posted January 14, 2016 Guess I need a bigger printer. Any suggestions, Rick? Hi Lou, Why, yes I do. You can stop by and bring some of those amazing photos (24MP Q) from your last Cuba trip. I'll print them for you in my studio office on my 44" printer, and you will be amazed what 24MP looks like big. Bring your friend Turnley with you, would yah? Did you happen to be there (Cuba) when he opened his exhibit there? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/2016/01/leica-q-cuba-louis-foubare/ Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 18, 2016 Share #66 Posted January 18, 2016 Hi Lou, Why, yes I do. You can stop by and bring some of those amazing photos (24MP Q) from your last Cuba trip. I'll print them for you in my studio office on my 44" printer, and you will be amazed what 24MP looks like big. Bring your friend Turnley with you, would yah? Did you happen to be there (Cuba) when he opened his exhibit there? http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/2016/01/leica-q-cuba-louis-foubare/ Rick Yes I was and what a crowd! He was very pleased and even had one woman come to exhibit that he had photographed nursing her new baby in a Habana church. (I have a photo I will find and post) Also he had reprinted each and every Newsweek cover photo that was his and they covered a wall at least 30 feet long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted January 18, 2016 Share #67 Posted January 18, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) In the past decade, I've made at most 50 prints larger than 11x17 inch in size. All the rest, of the thousands I've made, are 11x17 inch in size or smaller. I do not know what people do with a bazillion 30x40 inch, or larger, prints. I see very few homes that have space anywhere for such large prints. Do you all sell prints to vast acres of wall space in huge industrial buildings? Three of us did about 80 prints recently for the halls of our new computer science building. One of mine was 120 cm wide, but most were 30 by 50 cm at most. The cost of printing these days was a big factor, even though we might qualify as a huge industrial building. The ones made from M240 files came out better than the M8 files, which I don't like to take above 20x30 cm. scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted January 18, 2016 Share #68 Posted January 18, 2016 Honest question ahead: When one returns a camera, is a full refund the norm? I've never even considered returning a camera to the retailer, but I repeatedly see comments here that indicate "Sending it back to B&H/Amazon, or taking it back to the (whichever) retailer." Curious... It depends on the retailer's return policy, I suppose. I have returned incidentals to B&H but never a lens or camera. Here are their policies on returns: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/HelpCenter/ReturnExchange.jsp My Leica dealer has slightly different policies: http://www.camerawest.com/ratings_and_policies/ Their receipts bear the statement "All sales final. Exchanges are subject to a 15% restocking fee. No exchanges on sensitized goods. 90 day warranty on all used items. New items carry manufacturers warranty." Before I bought a couple of items, I was unsure if they would be a good fit for my intended purpose, so I inquired with the owner about returning them if that were the case. I was assured that I would have no difficulties in returning the items if the need arose. My take on his policy provisions is that they are subject to the circumstances of the situation and are in place as safeguards against camera and lens "borrowers" who operate under the pretense of purchasing the gear they want to make use of temporarily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted January 18, 2016 Share #69 Posted January 18, 2016 It depends on the retailer's return policy, I suppose. I have returned incidentals to B&H but never a lens or camera. Here are their policies on returns: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/find/HelpCenter/ReturnExchange.jsp My Leica dealer has slightly different policies: http://www.camerawest.com/ratings_and_policies/ Their receipts bear the statement "All sales final. Exchanges are subject to a 15% restocking fee. No exchanges on sensitized goods. 90 day warranty on all used items. New items carry manufacturers warranty." Before I bought a couple of items, I was unsure if they would be a good fit for my intended purpose, so I inquired with the owner about returning them if that were the case. I was assured that I would have no difficulties in returning the items if the need arose. My take on his policy provisions is that they are subject to the circumstances of the situation and are in place as safeguards against camera and lens "borrowers" who operate under the pretense of purchasing the gear they want to make use of temporarily. I sent the Sony A7R back to B&H within their 30 day return policy. No issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 19, 2016 Share #70 Posted January 19, 2016 I sent the Sony A7R back to B&H within their 30 day return policy. No issues. Me too. I sent that shutter slamming frustration back to B&H after a couple weeks with no problem. Anyone here have it now? Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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