EVF brightness and contrast

[ski542002]

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If you're referring to my mention of EVF settings "sticking" I was referring to exposure simulation being "sticky" not exposure compensation. 

 

In other words, I would like to be able to set the EVF to always simulate exposure, rather than auto-brightening to whatever level it chooses. Currently it can be set to exposure simulation but it "forgets" the setting after each shot. This being changed plus settings for contrast, color, brightness, etc would be useful and in line with competitive offerings.

 

Douglas Herr's review (also linked in another thread on this site) goes into the same issue under the section "Real Time Exposure Feedback - Leica SL vs. Sony a7II" . 

 

http://www.overgaard.dk/Leica-Camera-Typ-601-The-Birdman-of-Sacramento-Douglas-Herr-takes-on-the-Leica-SL-Review-Sony-A7II-with-Wildlife-Tele-Lenses.html

 

Hello LD_50. 

 

I don't use exposure simulation.  I just look at the in-camera meter to determine my correct exposure.  Just went back to the camera and turned it on.  It has been off for about 2 hours and when I turned it on, my +2/3 exposure compensation setting was still there.  The exposure compensation setting did not default back to -0-  I turned it on and off again a number of times before I submitted this reply and "exposure compensation" does not change, unless I change it.   

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[LD_50]

Hello LD_50. 

 

I don't use exposure simulation.  I just look at the in-camera meter to determine my correct exposure.  Just went back to the camera and turned it on.  It has been off for about 2 hours and when I turned it on, my +2/3 exposure compensation setting was still there.  The exposure compensation setting did not default back to -0-  I turned it on and off again a number of times before I submitted this reply and "exposure compensation" does not change, unless I change it.   

 

 

Agreed, exposure compensation "sticks". Exposure simulation does not.

 

If you use exposure simulation, and if it would stick between shots, the high contrast issue (dark areas being too dark to see for accurate focus or assessment of shadows) that is being corrected by applying exposure compensation would no longer be a problem. Exposure simulation is intended for what you see to match what you're metering. 

 

It seems the EVF is attempting to keep the overall frame at a certain brightness and not accurately simulating exposure. I would like more choices as to how it behaves. I believe we're wanting the same end result but you're confusing what I'm saying about exposure simulation. See the review I linked for a good explanation (with real world use case, photos, and a functioning alternative from Sony) of how exposure simulation can correct the problem we're observing.

[ski542002]

Hello:  I agree LD_50, and think how much time we'd save not replying to this thread if it all worked as it should from day one!  I'm guessing a FW update will mitigate the issue; hopefully soon.

[haydenc]

Make sure you write to Leica about your issues. Be upfront and tell them what you want. The more people who inform Leica about this issue the more likely it'll be given some priority in the next firmware update.

 

Gordon

 

 

Hi Gordon,

I wish I could share your optimism. 

I reported this issue to Leica in Australia when I bought the camera in December over 6 months ago. I was trying to return the camera as I thought mine was faulty as all I had read about was the fantastic EVF. 

They assured me it had been sent to the relevant people. 

 

Also I have reported a constant major bug with the Leica T through all support channels and still to this day the issues are outstanding...

 

I can't stand the dark EVF and it has been a massive let down for me. I love the camera, hate the EVF and it annoys me every time I pick up the camera.

Edited July 7, 2016 by haydenc

[haydenc]

Hello:  You asked "Does this only happen to you in strong light conditions?"    I will say it's more about "strong contrast" light conditions.    In looking at the screen-grab I took from the Leica literature, the deep blue sky and water are fairly even in terms of contrast, with only the strip of brown sand being quite a bit brighter.  Based on what I've found,  this scenario in my EVF would look darker than what is shown in the literature, but not impossibly dark.  My other comments of shooting for instance, a couple in open shade on a sunny day, would result in the couple being extremely dark, and virtually impossible to focus accurately.

 

Over the last few days, I've been putzing with the exposure comp settings while using manual exposure with my M lenses, and I am getting more comfortable with the EVF issue. For outdoor situations (as in the Leica literature), if I set the exposure comp  +2/3 stop, everything looks great.  I will still have to increase exposure comp in very high contrast situations, but at least it's workable. If I just use the in-camera exposure meter and avoid the look of the EVF, my captured images are spot-on. I also noticed that the exposure compensation setting that I'm using "does stick", even when powering the camera off, and then on-again.   Another poster said the setting is not retained, but I've found the opposite, which is good.  My frustration is beginning to wane, and I still feel the SL is a great camera/system that Leica (and the photog) can build on, 

 

 

Hi, can you elaborate on your technique here.

Do you mean you over expose the shot to focus using exposure compensation, then adjust back to normal and take the shot?

Or are you taking everything overexposed and fixing in post?

Or is the over exposed setting you are setting coming out as the correct metering for you?

 

For me, even if I completely overexpose the shot to white, it looks grey through the view finder. 

I concur about taking shots outside wide open in bright or contrasty conditions. 

I was covering a surfing event in bright sun using 2 cameras. The SL with a M 50mm APO and a Fuji X-Pro2 with 100-400mm. 

The frustration of swapping between the 2 cameras, going from the brighter EVF in the Fuji (with autofocus) to the dark SL with manual focus. 

I normally focus using no focus aids very reliably on the Leica T and SL in some conditions.

On these days covering that event, I made so many focus mistakes with the SL it was a complete joke. (as it was too dark I couldn't see as well to focus)

 

As I have said before, in dim conditions, the SL gains up nicely. 

In super bright conditions (lots of contrast) the EVF is at least 2 or 3 stops below where it should be. And on mine pushing exposure makes what is white actually appear grey.

 

A simple fix is the add the ability to adjust the EVF brightness, just like you can adjust the LCD screen. 

Why would they have the ability to adjust one without the other?

Edited July 7, 2016 by haydenc

[helged]

This issue has been pointed out by several for quite some time - including prior to and during the beta-testing of the latest SL fw - but without a fix so far. Lets hope for a change in the next fw, not too far into the future, hopefully!

Edited July 7, 2016 by helged

[ski542002]

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Hi, can you elaborate on your technique here.

Do you mean you over expose the shot to focus using exposure compensation, then adjust back to normal and take the shot?

Or are you taking everything overexposed and fixing in post?

Or is the over exposed setting you are setting coming out as the correct metering for you?

 

For me, even if I completely overexpose the shot to white, it looks grey through the view finder. 

I concur about taking shots outside wide open in bright or contrasty conditions. 

I was covering a surfing event in bright sun using 2 cameras. The SL with a M 50mm APO and a Fuji X-Pro2 with 100-400mm. 

The frustration of swapping between the 2 cameras, going from the brighter EVF in the Fuji (with autofocus) to the dark SL with manual focus. 

I normally focus using no focus aids very reliably on the Leica T and SL in some conditions.

On these days covering that event, I made so many focus mistakes with the SL it was a complete joke. (as it was too dark I couldn't see as well to focus)

 

As I have said before, in dim conditions, the SL gains up nicely. 

In super bright conditions (lots of contrast) the EVF is at least 2 or 3 stops below where it should be. And on mine pushing exposure makes what is white actually appear grey.

 

A simple fix is the add the ability to adjust the EVF brightness, just like you can adjust the LCD screen. 

Why would they have the ability to adjust one without the other?

 

 

 

Hello Haydenc.

 

Hopefully my replies are clear, but if not, feel free to respond again and I’ll try to clarify further.

I do NOT “over expose the shot to focus using exposure compensation, and then adjust back to normal.  There is no fixing in post.  I find the in-camera meter to be so accurate I seldom correct my exposures in-post.  The "overexposed EVF view” caused by adjusting the exposure compensation amount, is NOT the correct metering or “actual exposure preview”.

The exposure compensation amount I set (in manual exposure mode), is used simply to get a brighter viewfinder image.  I use the in-camera meter which I find very accurate, to get the proper exposure.  Using the in-camera meter, you can actually see the exposure compensation amount, which is the lower “tick mark” on the scale.  The actual exposure using the in-camera meter is shown in the upper line of tick marks on the scale.  Again, all of this is accomplished in the manual exposure mode.  

When I have exposure compensation on the SL dialed in, as soon as I half-press the shutter release, the viewfinder image get’s darker, to approximate the correct “exposure preview”.  As soon as I take my finger off the release button, or when I take a shot, the EVF again gains-up to whatever over exposure amount I have previously set.

In practice, its a lot easier to do this in the camera, than it is to explain it clearly on paper  

My exposure compensation settings usually are; 

-0-  for interior images lit with house lighting.

+2/3 to +1.5 for exteriors ranging from clouds, to bright sunny and backlit situations.

I find all of to be vastly simpler than messing with auto exposure, and have not really attempted this using AE.  Unless I’m shooting constantly outdoors with the sun moving rapidly in-and-out of cloud cover, I find AE to be a waste of time, with more frequent inaccurate exposures.

I shot an event this past weekend and used my SL about 80% of the time, and my DSMKIII about 20% of the time.  Using this technique with the SL, I found the MKIII to only be slightly advantageous over the SL in bright outdoor lighting.  When shooting indoors under dark lighting, I had no trouble manually focusing the SL with my M lenses, while the MKIII viewfinder was extremely dark, to the point I needed to use the IR function on my Canon flash, to get accurate AF. 

 

Hope this helps, but again feel free to reply if needed.

[FlashGordonPhotography]

This issue has been pointed out by several for quite some time - including prior to and during the beta-testing of the latest SL fw - but without a fix so far. Lets hope for a change in the next fw, not too far into the future, hopefully!

 

Interestingly they did recently update the EVF behaviour on the M system. Hopefully what they did there will flow directly to the SL as soon as possible.

 

Gordon

[haydenc]

 

Hello Haydenc.

 

Hopefully my replies are clear, but if not, feel free to respond again and I’ll try to clarify further.

I do NOT “over expose the shot to focus using exposure compensation, and then adjust back to normal.  There is no fixing in post.  I find the in-camera meter to be so accurate I seldom correct my exposures in-post.  The "overexposed EVF view” caused by adjusting the exposure compensation amount, is NOT the correct metering or “actual exposure preview”.

The exposure compensation amount I set (in manual exposure mode), is used simply to get a brighter viewfinder image.  I use the in-camera meter which I find very accurate, to get the proper exposure.  Using the in-camera meter, you can actually see the exposure compensation amount, which is the lower “tick mark” on the scale.  The actual exposure using the in-camera meter is shown in the upper line of tick marks on the scale.  Again, all of this is accomplished in the manual exposure mode.  

When I have exposure compensation on the SL dialed in, as soon as I half-press the shutter release, the viewfinder image get’s darker, to approximate the correct “exposure preview”.  As soon as I take my finger off the release button, or when I take a shot, the EVF again gains-up to whatever over exposure amount I have previously set.

In practice, its a lot easier to do this in the camera, than it is to explain it clearly on paper  

My exposure compensation settings usually are; 

-0-  for interior images lit with house lighting.

+2/3 to +1.5 for exteriors ranging from clouds, to bright sunny and backlit situations.

I find all of to be vastly simpler than messing with auto exposure, and have not really attempted this using AE.  Unless I’m shooting constantly outdoors with the sun moving rapidly in-and-out of cloud cover, I find AE to be a waste of time, with more frequent inaccurate exposures.

I shot an event this past weekend and used my SL about 80% of the time, and my DSMKIII about 20% of the time.  Using this technique with the SL, I found the MKIII to only be slightly advantageous over the SL in bright outdoor lighting.  When shooting indoors under dark lighting, I had no trouble manually focusing the SL with my M lenses, while the MKIII viewfinder was extremely dark, to the point I needed to use the IR function on my Canon flash, to get accurate AF. 

 

Hope this helps, but again feel free to reply if needed.

 

 

 

Thanks for the reply.

i just tried it out and the behaviour is quite strange. 

So if you change the exposure comp to +1, do you then change the manual exposure settings to be under exposed by 1 stop to match?

On my camera, I fully expected the exposure compensation to do nothing in Manual mode to change the picture.

However what it does is show is that it changes the exposure scale so that the middle is now 1 stop over exposed.

You are right it does brighten the screen. However to have to remember to have to under expose by what the camera exposure compensation is set to is not something I really want to get in the habit of doing just to have a brighter screen!

 

Ok, just re-read your post. 

The bottom tick mark is where the exposure comp is.

The upper tick marks show where the exposure meter is reading.

On my camera, if I set the exposure compensation to +1, and fix the ISO, shutter speed and Aperture so that the meter is right in the middle of the scale. If I then change the exposure compensation back to 0, the meter shows the shot will be exactly 1 stop over exposed. 

Is this the same behaviour you see on your SL?

[ski542002]

Thanks for the reply.

i just tried it out and the behaviour is quite strange. 

So if you change the exposure comp to +1, do you then change the manual exposure settings to be under exposed by 1 stop to match?

On my camera, I fully expected the exposure compensation to do nothing in Manual mode to change the picture.

However what it does is show is that it changes the exposure scale so that the middle is now 1 stop over exposed.

You are right it does brighten the screen. However to have to remember to have to under expose by what the camera exposure compensation is set to is not something I really want to get in the habit of doing just to have a brighter screen!

 

Ok, just re-read your post. 

The bottom tick mark is where the exposure comp is.

The upper tick marks show where the exposure meter is reading.

On my camera, if I set the exposure compensation to +1, and fix the ISO, shutter speed and Aperture so that the meter is right in the middle of the scale. If I then change the exposure compensation back to 0, the meter shows the shot will be exactly 1 stop over exposed. 

Is this the same behaviour you see on your SL?

 

Hi.  I wish I could meet you for coffee to go over this with cameras-in-hand  All of the adjusting (fixing) you're doing to the meter readings is confusing to me and I think it's going to frustrate your use (and enjoyment of using) the SL. You're over-thinking this (or I'm mis-understanding you).  In manual exposure mode, the + exposure comp is nothing more than a crutch to allow you to see what your focusing. It has nothing to do with the actual exposure.  Regardless of how my exposure compensation is set,  I don't do any kind of compensation to the actual exposure settings displayed in the SL's EVF. What the meter says (the top scale), is what I usually shoot at.   I usually have an exposure preview come up when I half-press the shutter.  The screen does darken, because it is approximating my actual exposure, (NOT the compensation amount) but again, this has nothing to do with the exposure compensation.  

 

Feel free to reply again and we will get this to work!

[FlashGordonPhotography]

Thanks for the reply.

i just tried it out and the behaviour is quite strange. 

So if you change the exposure comp to +1, do you then change the manual exposure settings to be under exposed by 1 stop to match?

On my camera, I fully expected the exposure compensation to do nothing in Manual mode to change the picture.

However what it does is show is that it changes the exposure scale so that the middle is now 1 stop over exposed.

You are right it does brighten the screen. However to have to remember to have to under expose by what the camera exposure compensation is set to is not something I really want to get in the habit of doing just to have a brighter screen!

 

Ok, just re-read your post. 

The bottom tick mark is where the exposure comp is.

The upper tick marks show where the exposure meter is reading.

On my camera, if I set the exposure compensation to +1, and fix the ISO, shutter speed and Aperture so that the meter is right in the middle of the scale. If I then change the exposure compensation back to 0, the meter shows the shot will be exactly 1 stop over exposed. 

Is this the same behaviour you see on your SL?

 

In M mode the exposure compensation does nothing to the exposure. All it does it change the EVF brightness. So you DON'T need to do anything with exposure (ie: changing shutter, aperture or ISO) to compensate. BUT.... you can't use auto ISO.

 

Best to try this by pointing your camera at something and adjusting the exposure comensation while shooting a few frames. The revied images will look the same, regardless of what you do with the EC. I have it set to lower left long press so it's easy to get to in M mode.

 

Gordon

 

p.s. to Leica: I can't say often enough how STUPID this way of doing things is. There are multiple threads on this. I really hope you get this sorted as a priority rather than waiting a year for other "improvements". You are crippling the major advantage of the SL over other camera systems, that is, the advantages of live exposure preview with a properly adjustable EVF.

[haydenc]

Hi.  I wish I could meet you for coffee to go over this with cameras-in-hand  All of the adjusting (fixing) you're doing to the meter readings is confusing to me and I think it's going to frustrate your use (and enjoyment of using) the SL. You're over-thinking this (or I'm mis-understanding you).  In manual exposure mode, the + exposure comp is nothing more than a crutch to allow you to see what your focusing. It has nothing to do with the actual exposure.  Regardless of how my exposure compensation is set,  I don't do any kind of compensation to the actual exposure settings displayed in the SL's EVF. What the meter says (the top scale), is what I usually shoot at.   I usually have an exposure preview come up when I half-press the shutter.  The screen does darken, because it is approximating my actual exposure, (NOT the compensation amount) but again, this has nothing to do with the exposure compensation.  

 

Feel free to reply again and we will get this to work!

 

 

Hi Ski (Chris?) and Gordon,

 

On my camera, if you dial in exposure compensation, it resets the scale of the exposure.

So if you are metering your exposure to the middle of the scale, you are actually over-exposing the shot by whatever you are setting the exposure compensation to.

 

I'll put some figures on it to (hopefully) clarify what I am seeing.

I am in a pretty dark room as the sun has set in Melbourne. 

M Mode

Shutter - 1/10 second, Aperture - 3.5, ISO - 12500

case 1: exp comp +1, meter = 0

case 2: exp comp off, meter = +1

 

(I should note that if you used a light meter and plugged in the settings in the SL, then yes exposure comp doesn't do a thing to adjust the exposure. However if you are using the meter to help you to set the exposure settings, exposure compensation does effect the meter)

 

So I think while you might have been using this technique to only brighten the EVF, you are actually changing the exposure too if you use the meter to adjust the camera settings so it reads in the middle.

 

I just tried it with:

Spot, Centre-Weighted and Multi-Field

In each case the exposure compensation 'reset' the mid point of exposure scale based on what exp comp is set to.

 

Can you dial in some setting to see if your camera(s) behave the same way?

 

I find that very odd behaviour for the camera to operate in this way.

Edited July 9, 2016 by haydenc

[ski542002]

Hi Ski (Chris?) and Gordon,

 

On my camera, if you dial in exposure compensation, it resets the scale of the exposure.

So if you are metering your exposure to the middle of the scale, you are actually over-exposing the shot by whatever you are setting the exposure compensation to.

 

I'll put some figures on it to (hopefully) clarify what I am seeing.

I am in a pretty dark room as the sun has set in Melbourne. 

M Mode

Shutter - 1/10 second, Aperture - 3.5, ISO - 12500

case 1: exp comp +1, meter = 0

case 2: exp comp off, meter = +1

 

(I should note that if you used a light meter and plugged in the settings in the SL, then yes exposure comp doesn't do a thing to adjust the exposure. However if you are using the meter to help you to set the exposure settings, exposure compensation does effect the meter)

 

So I think while you might have been using this technique to only brighten the EVF, you are actually changing the exposure too if you use the meter to adjust the camera settings so it reads in the middle.

 

I just tried it with:

Spot, Centre-Weighted and Multi-Field

In each case the exposure compensation 'reset' the mid point of exposure scale based on what exp comp is set to.

 

Can you dial in some setting to see if your camera(s) behave the same way?

 

I find that very odd behaviour for the camera to operate in this way.

 

Good morning.

 

Wow, I just tried it and you're correct; my SL does exactly the same thing you described.  

 

Possibly I didn't notice this behavior while shooting because the exposure preview is accurate enough that I just adjust my real exposure on the fly, while my shutter button is half-pressed.  I'm watching the EVF image instead of the meters.  On average, my compensation is only +2/3, so maybe I just didn't notice this quirk.  Given this issue, now it's all the more aggravating that Leica doesn't have a fix to this EVF not functioning like it should.  Your comment that this is "very odd behavior" is too polite comment! I agree with Gordon's implication that Leica needs to get with the program and get this corrected.

[Steve Spencer]

Who cares what the meter reads? In the above example, the shot would still be made with an aperture of 3.5, a shutter speed of 1/10 of a second, and an ISO of 1250. As long as the exposure compensation doesn't change those parameters the shot will be the same exposure either way and you can use changes in exposure compensation to change the brightness of the viewfinder and if it affects the meter so be it, it won't affect the picture you are taking.

Edited July 9, 2016 by Steve Spencer

[FlashGordonPhotography]

Yep. I also stand corrected. I use the live histogram so that's probably why I didn't notice. Apologies. I wonder if this changed with 2.0? I certainly was pretty sure I had it right.

 

You are correct. "Odd", is far too nice for this behaviour.

 

Gordon

[FlashGordonPhotography]

Who cares what the meter reads? In the above example, the shot would still be made with an aperture of 3.5, a shutter speed of 1/10 of a second, and an ISO of 1250. As long as the exposure compensation doesn't change those parameters the shot will be the same exposure either way and you can use changes in exposure compensation to change the brightness of the viewfinder and if it affects the meter so be it, it won't affect the picture you are taking.

 

Well, if you're using the meter as a guide for exposure then you're buggered because exposure comp affects the meter reading display but not the actual exposure. So you can have a reading that says a stop over but an actual exposure, somewhere else. that's pretty daft. Secondly, if you have live exposure preview turned off the live histogram also follows this setting so you have NO in camera metering that's consistent in operation. Double daft. If you can't adjust the EVF brightness and contrast to taste, separate from exposure parameters how are you supposed to use live preview with any confidence. Live exposure preview is THE most important advantage an EVF has. May as well not have no live preview at all Might as well stick a mirror in the next one if that's how useful the EVF is going to be.

 

Leica is actually negating the benefits of having an EVF rather than enhancing them. They should remove all marketing for this thing as a tool for a professional because as a professional, it's just got too many holes in its software. Canon and Nikon don't release, even entry level cameras with, such basic usability issues, ever. The Leica M EVF (which is a friggin' add on) works better than the "professional" system camera. It's kinda sad, actually.

 

Gordon

[ski542002]

Well, if you're using the meter as a guide for exposure then you're buggered because exposure comp affects the meter reading display but not the actual exposure. So you can have a reading that says a stop over but an actual exposure, somewhere else. that's pretty daft. Secondly, if you have live exposure preview turned off the live histogram also follows this setting so you have NO in camera metering that's consistent in operation. Double daft. If you can't adjust the EVF brightness and contrast to taste, separate from exposure parameters how are you supposed to use live preview with any confidence. Live exposure preview is THE most important advantage an EVF has. May as well not have no live preview at all Might as well stick a mirror in the next one if that's how useful the EVF is going to be.

 

Leica is actually negating the benefits of having an EVF rather than enhancing them. They should remove all marketing for this thing as a tool for a professional because as a professional, it's just got too many holes in its software. Canon and Nikon don't release, even entry level cameras with, such basic usability issues, ever. The Leica M EVF (which is a friggin' add on) works better than the "professional" system camera. It's kinda sad, actually.

 

Gordon

 

Gordon, I agree completely!   I had the M240 with the add-on EVF, and I never had this wonky issue.  It was slow, and the M would lockup if I pushed it too quickly while using the EVF, but at least it didn't experience the strange functioning of the SL's "integrated" EVF.

[Steve Spencer]

Well, if you're using the meter as a guide for exposure then you're buggered because exposure comp affects the meter reading display but not the actual exposure. So you can have a reading that says a stop over but an actual exposure, somewhere else. that's pretty daft. Secondly, if you have live exposure preview turned off the live histogram also follows this setting so you have NO in camera metering that's consistent in operation. Double daft. If you can't adjust the EVF brightness and contrast to taste, separate from exposure parameters how are you supposed to use live preview with any confidence. Live exposure preview is THE most important advantage an EVF has. May as well not have no live preview at all Might as well stick a mirror in the next one if that's how useful the EVF is going to be.

 

Leica is actually negating the benefits of having an EVF rather than enhancing them. They should remove all marketing for this thing as a tool for a professional because as a professional, it's just got too many holes in its software. Canon and Nikon don't release, even entry level cameras with, such basic usability issues, ever. The Leica M EVF (which is a friggin' add on) works better than the "professional" system camera. It's kinda sad, actually.

 

Gordon

 

I not at all saying Leica shouldn't fix this and get it right. The exposure compensation thing in manual was always a work around that should not have been needed and it prevents shooting in aperture priority, which to me is a huge downside. As a work around it also is kludgy and creates those problems you note. If you pay attention the the amount of exposure compensation you have added you can adjust the meter and the histogram in your head, but that is of course frustrating. You can get exposure preview with a half press of the shutter, but again annoying. They should fix this, as the exposure compensation work around is far short of ideal, but I think it is still good to know it is there as I am sure some people will still use it despite its downsides.

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[haydenc]

I not at all saying Leica shouldn't fix this and get it right. The exposure compensation thing in manual was always a work around that should not have been needed and it prevents shooting in aperture priority, which to me is a huge downside. As a work around it also is kludgy and creates those problems you note. If you pay attention the the amount of exposure compensation you have added you can adjust the meter and the histogram in your head, but that is of course frustrating. You can get exposure preview with a half press of the shutter, but again annoying. They should fix this, as the exposure compensation work around is far short of ideal, but I think it is still good to know it is there as I am sure some people will still use it despite its downsides.

 

 

The problem I have with it is that I might use exposure comp in Aperture Priority, however if you then switch to Manual mode it keeps the exposure comp setting.

I would expect exposure comp to do nothing at all in full manual mode, but that is not the case.

We have just stumbled onto this issue, and now I know about it, I can adjust accordingly and look out for it.

 

It certainly does need to be fixed.

 

Do you want to know something really frustrating. I was an early adopter of the M240 and the Leica T. 

In both cases the EVF is an add on but out of the box, you could not adjust the brightness of the EVF. It took at least 6 months with both cameras and then the ability was enabled in Firmware.

So did Leica learn from its lessons learnt and make sure that its professional camera had a feature that was asked for in the previous 2 cameras?

The answer is unfortunately a big NO! And this time it has been 7.5 month since launch and still you can't adjust the display...

[haydenc]

Good morning.

 

Wow, I just tried it and you're correct; my SL does exactly the same thing you described.  

 

Possibly I didn't notice this behavior while shooting because the exposure preview is accurate enough that I just adjust my real exposure on the fly, while my shutter button is half-pressed.  I'm watching the EVF image instead of the meters.  On average, my compensation is only +2/3, so maybe I just didn't notice this quirk.  Given this issue, now it's all the more aggravating that Leica doesn't have a fix to this EVF not functioning like it should.  Your comment that this is "very odd behavior" is too polite comment! I agree with Gordon's implication that Leica needs to get with the program and get this corrected.

 

Wow indeed!

I am glad you can confirm what I was seeing! I thought either I was going mad or I had a faulty camera.

Turns out we all have faulty cameras which is probably worse!

I hope we can get this fixed asap!

 

I would love to just be able to trust the display to set exposure.

As Gordon also mentioned the live histogram can be used to double check exposure. 

However I like to have the display as clutter free as possible for shooting. 

Edited July 9, 2016 by haydenc