viramati Posted December 23, 2015 Share #1 Posted December 23, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Q Brixton, London Getting into the festive spirit or maybe to much of it As Donald Duck looks on by Viramati, on Flickr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 Hi viramati, Take a look here And Donald Duck looks on . I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
A miller Posted December 23, 2015 Share #2 Posted December 23, 2015 I wish I could reach deep down and find something - anything at all - nice and positive to say about this photo. Yet, I'll bet you'll get some total morons to give you positive feedback on flickr, which shows you how useless flickr can be at serving as an objective reference point for photos, if used incorrectly. Having said this, I do like your photos generally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted December 23, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted December 23, 2015 I wish I could reach deep down and find something - anything at all - nice and positive to say about this photo. Yet, I'll bet you'll get some total morons to give you positive feedback on flickr, which shows you how useless flickr can be at serving as an objective reference point for photos, if used incorrectly. Having said this, I do like your photos generally. The incongruities of Brixton are often not very pretty and I have to say that it is only recently that I have taken any shots again of some less fortunate types as on the whole I would agree these are often gratuitous. Windrush Square, where this was taken, has a Christmas fun fair but also it's own share of drinkers, stoners etc. Christmas is a time of joy and hope for some and unfortunately not for others and whether photographs like this should be taken and how they should (or if they should) be presented has been something that has been argued about for many a year. Don't get me wrong I do take your comments on board and it is good to be brought up against what we do. So I thank you for your honest opinion. Merry Christmas A shot to give a bit more of the setting Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/254732-and-donald-duck-looks-on/?do=findComment&comment=2954803'>More sharing options...
A miller Posted December 23, 2015 Share #4 Posted December 23, 2015 David - The other photos that you've shared recently have also featured some seemingly less-then-fortunate people. But those photos contain real "soul" in that the people were either looking directly at the camera or were otherwise facing the camera, in each case with a well framed composition and a penetrating expression. This allows the viewer to connect with their soul. Your photos in the other threads that you've created within the past couple of weeks do this very well. And this connection that you made b/n the viewer and your subject was due to your own skills. These are skills that most other people do not possess. The connection b/c the viewer and the soul of your poor subject is art - and your skills made the art. Therefore, your photo is art and worth something. And you are the artist. The photo that you have posted above does not create any such connection b/n the subject and the viewer. So it doesn't require any skill whatsoever. So in my view it therefore does not have any artistic value whatsoever. Anyone can point their camera at the hundreds of poor people on the street and click the shutter. If anyone can do it, it aint' art - and it aint "interesting." To me, taking shots that literally anyone can take is not worth my time. And I find it very difficult to see how it is worth your time either, particularly given your eye for creating real art (which you have demonstrated repeatedly here) and your very capable camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
allamande Posted December 25, 2015 Share #5 Posted December 25, 2015 I'll be one of those morons to praise the first shot. The juxtaposition tells a story that resonates with me and I do appreciate that the incongruity is starkly framed and presented. I do not need this soul to be looking into the lens for me to make a connection with his struggle, with his state of being, and by extension for this image to turn into "art." These are outdated modes of thinking about photography and its function in today's world. People are entitled to their opinion but when the opinion turns into a lecture and name calling then we move into another territory. This is an image that works to document several conditions/issues at once, and makes a strong statement for this moron. Ece Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted December 25, 2015 Share #6 Posted December 25, 2015 Surely one should not look at any image with predetermined thoughts/ideas.. The photographer is in the situation of seeing something, milliseconds pass, the photograph is taken and the "thought" is not recorded... But the photograph still displays as a happening story.. Down & Outs of all types do offer a photographic opportunity, not always the best or wisest subjects.. I like the images shown, nicely done.. My subject:- SanFran waterfront.. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/254732-and-donald-duck-looks-on/?do=findComment&comment=2955534'>More sharing options...
viramati Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share #7 Posted December 25, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thank you Ece and Mano and merry Christmas. I believe Ece has captured more of what I was feeling when I composed the shot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted December 25, 2015 Share #8 Posted December 25, 2015 The essence of my point is that this specific type of photograph is generally speaking broadly thought of as "reportage" and not the "art" of "street photography" (whatever that means, but it generally isnt reportage in the sense of your photo, IMO). So it could very well make the front page of the NY Times, if that is what you fancy.... I think the emotion that you were feeling is irrelevant as it doesnt make it more of an artful "street photography" and less of a "reportage" photograph. Reportage and street photography can converge; but i dont think it does in this case, or ith these specific types of photographs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted December 25, 2015 Share #9 Posted December 25, 2015 I'll be one of those morons to praise the first shot. The juxtaposition tells a story that resonates with me and I do appreciate that the incongruity is starkly framed and presented. I do not need this soul to be looking into the lens for me to make a connection with his struggle, with his state of being, and by extension for this image to turn into "art." These are outdated modes of thinking about photography and its function in today's world. People are entitled to their opinion but when the opinion turns into a lecture and name calling then we move into another territory. This is an image that works to document several conditions/issues at once, and makes a strong statement for this moron. Ece +2 This shot has a powerful "story"; whether we like it or not!... And, I wonder; how many of those pretty street shots we see in the forums really have any story!? ... A few years ago, I had problems with some people about the following shot, ( as you can see below the shot! )... I believe those who supported the shot, or opposed, said everything about this issue and there is nothing from me to add: http://www.dpreview.com/challenges/Entry.aspx?ID=403677 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted December 25, 2015 Share #10 Posted December 25, 2015 wow, you and Ece keep yourselves quite busy with forums! I still think my comment about "reportage" vs "the art of street photography" stands transcends most of the spirited back and forth. This is the difficulty that I have with these types of photographs, at least to the extent that they are presented as an art form called "street photography" (a la the name of this sub-forum, as opposed to the "People" forum, in which case this presumption would not exist (at least in my mind)). The dpreview image attempts to convert an otherwise reportage scene into a street scene. This is theoretically possible depending on the strength of the image. I think that the particular subject matter (the impoverished) evokes very strong emotions in both directions - all of which are fair game. It is ironic that these emotions are lifted completely when we see these types of images in a newspaper or other form of journalistic medium. It is only when an amateur uses this subject matter to advance his "street photography" career that these strong emotions are introduced.... It really depends on your frame of mind. But in all honesty when I see photos of these poor "low hanging fruit" (particularly when they are not engaging in any way in the photo), I can't help but consider the photographer a "poser." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted December 26, 2015 Share #11 Posted December 26, 2015 I don't think Poser" is a valid determination. Everything out there has at one time or will in the future be photographed. I doubt using a cell phone to record images of any description point to the photographer being a Poser" in my younger years as a Fleet St. freelancer I took everything from A-Z. I'm no Poser' - Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted December 26, 2015 Share #12 Posted December 26, 2015 A Random 3.... E N J O Y Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/254732-and-donald-duck-looks-on/?do=findComment&comment=2956180'>More sharing options...
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