Jon Warwick Posted November 14, 2015 Share #41 Posted November 14, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I had my MM for ~2 years and it was fantastic. I've had my S for 3 months and the S files are 10 times better to work with and produce better B&W pictures IMOO You should just go ahead and sell the MM and be done with it....... You know you want to I have a very limited try with the S, just printed some B&W crops off a high end inkjet etc - aside from it being a beast in size, all IQ aspects of the S seem far superior at large prints vs M240 or MM. The subtlety of tones from the 16 bit MF sensor on the S seems to add a great deal to B&W images .....too obvious macro contrast / not enough micro contrast seemed to be a marked difference on FF sensors vs the subtlety of B&W film tonality, but the S's MF seems to resolve that headwind .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Agent M10 Posted November 15, 2015 Share #42 Posted November 15, 2015 Mat, what are you using for your B&W conversions, if you don't mind me asking? Morning The S is a very nice b&w camera, easy to get deep, rich files. I shot the recording of an album here in Sweden for an excellent artist, very poor conditions though in a dark studio with no ambient light and for most of the time just a desk lamp for light. They actually wanted gritty black and white shots so ended up adding quite a bit of grain to this to get what they wanted. The jpeg doesn't do much justice to the full size image which is now printed on the studio wall but will give you an idea. This at ISO400 and pushed a couple of stops in post. Another in a practice room just experimenting with pushing files, around 4 stops under exposed at ISO 200 to see what would happen in post, distant window and a desk lamp for light, noisy in colour pushed that much but not bad in b&w with grain added to rough it up a little. I find noise to not be too bad but can get banding if pushed too far, the 007 is a different beast though, I'd have shot these at ISO800 easily but would have had to add a lot of grain to get the look they wanted. Mat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjrp Posted November 15, 2015 Share #43 Posted November 15, 2015 Hi, these are just in LR, different jobs hence the different toning, they'd obviously be supplied to the client looking the same! I actually prefer C1 for portraits, LR is usually a little flat tonally. Mat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
007 Posted November 16, 2015 Share #44 Posted November 16, 2015 I work with color in LR and then export to Silver Efx Pro.This with a zoom at 30mm on a S 007 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252738-black-and-white-file-conversions/?do=findComment&comment=2929400'>More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 16, 2015 Share #45 Posted November 16, 2015 I work with color in LR and then export to Silver Efx Pro. This with a zoom at 30mm on a S 007 structure at sunset.jpg Good work 007. You just can't get files like that from the MM............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted November 16, 2015 Share #46 Posted November 16, 2015 ...You just can't get files like that from the MM............ I had a fashion show shoot last night. I brought both the S2 and the MM. They turned off all of the lights except 2 spots just before the start. It was just not enough light for the S2 (flash was not an option as they were filming as well). But the MM came through. Perhaps the 007 might have pulled this off at ISO 3200 but not the S2 or the S. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252738-black-and-white-file-conversions/?do=findComment&comment=2929436'>More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted November 16, 2015 Share #47 Posted November 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Good work 007. You just can't get files like that from the MM............ How not? That is a very contrasty, unsubtle B&W image, unlike the tonality you may have got with the MM, but I see nothing there that I would not expect to get with a Monochrom....... john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted November 16, 2015 Share #48 Posted November 16, 2015 I agree - The original file may be excellent, but there is nothing in a small jpeg to determine what camera was used. In the jpeg it appears to have contrast boosted in SFX, as there is a halo effect around the structures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted November 16, 2015 Share #49 Posted November 16, 2015 Good work 007. You just can't get files like that from the MM............ ... and you can´t get files like this one from the 007. Plain vanilla, I mean: no processing at all. Leica M(246). 12500 ISO 1/45 f.4 Summicron 35 ASPH. It's a picture with no interest, I know, but I did it just to see what the M(256) can do. It looks as if it were more light there, actually it was quite dark in that restaurant... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252738-black-and-white-file-conversions/?do=findComment&comment=2930111'>More sharing options...
Manolo Laguillo Posted November 16, 2015 Share #50 Posted November 16, 2015 This is how it really looked: available darkness. It's the same file, but now underexposed 1 stop in LR. For these reasons I have both the S and the M(246). It's the M(240) which is for me redundant... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252738-black-and-white-file-conversions/?do=findComment&comment=2930117'>More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 16, 2015 Share #51 Posted November 16, 2015 ... and you can´t get files like this one from the 007. Thank god for that.......hahahahahahh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 16, 2015 Share #52 Posted November 16, 2015 Shot in near darkness, of a guy making Beef Rendang in Padang Indonesia..........006 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252738-black-and-white-file-conversions/?do=findComment&comment=2930147'>More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 16, 2015 Share #53 Posted November 16, 2015 Before Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! After Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! After ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252738-black-and-white-file-conversions/?do=findComment&comment=2930153'>More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 16, 2015 Share #54 Posted November 16, 2015 Slightly OT, but whether an S, M or Monochrome is used, I'd love to understand better why some of these photos are in B&W at all. Some work well but others would surely be more compelling, coherent and communicative in colour, wouldn't they? Some, I assume, are just being used to demonstrate the capabilities of the cameras in question. I don't mean to be argumentative but it continuously fascinates me that the very fine differences between a few top-quality cameras and lenses attract so much more attention than the far more interesting (to me), important and creative questions about when is B&W and when is colour more appropriate. It certainly has a greater impact than the differences between the equipment used most of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 17, 2015 Share #55 Posted November 17, 2015 ^^^^^^^ Exactly..........who gives a shit what camera is used to take the picture............ Its just a picture right :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted November 17, 2015 Share #56 Posted November 17, 2015 Slightly OT, but whether an S, M or Monochrome is used, I'd love to understand better why some of these photos are in B&W at all. Some work well but others would surely be more compelling, coherent and communicative in colour, wouldn't they? Some, I assume, are just being used to demonstrate the capabilities of the cameras in question. I don't mean to be argumentative but it continuously fascinates me that the very fine differences between a few top-quality cameras and lenses attract so much more attention than the far more interesting (to me), important and creative questions about when is B&W and when is colour more appropriate. It certainly has a greater impact than the differences between the equipment used most of the time. The OP is considering purchasing an S camera. He is also considering a M. He currently has a M9. He wanted to see some B&W conversions and hear a few opinions. His concern is low light. Opinions he has received in spades. Passions run deep among Leica folk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted November 17, 2015 Share #57 Posted November 17, 2015 ........,,,,, Passions run deep among Leica folk.Well, certain passions do. I wasn't trying to undermine the original question. I tried to make that clear. I was adding a slightly off-topic observation regarding the photos rather than the cameras exactly because the more interesting questions about the photography involved so often are off-topic, sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted November 17, 2015 Share #58 Posted November 17, 2015 Well, certain passions do. I wasn't trying to undermine the original question. I tried to make that clear. I was adding a slightly off-topic observation regarding the photos rather than the cameras exactly because the more interesting questions about the photography involved so often are off-topic, sadly. True enough. My bad. I'm just seeing everything in black and white these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan.y Posted November 19, 2015 Share #59 Posted November 19, 2015 Slightly OT, but whether an S, M or Monochrome is used, I'd love to understand better why some of these photos are in B&W at all. Some work well but others would surely be more compelling, coherent and communicative in colour, wouldn't they? Some, I assume, are just being used to demonstrate the capabilities of the cameras in question. I don't mean to be argumentative but it continuously fascinates me that the very fine differences between a few top-quality cameras and lenses attract so much more attention than the far more interesting (to me), important and creative questions about when is B&W and when is colour more appropriate. It certainly has a greater impact than the differences between the equipment used most of the time. This seems a practical consequence of the conventions of online fora including this, which separate "gear" discussions from "photo" ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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