Monochrome Posted November 17, 2015 Share #281 Posted November 17, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Actually I would say such a stripped model would be for buyers who put philosophy over usability.Probably too small a group to warrant a regular production model. Btw, Volvo 246, are you sure you don't mean 264? When i read the reactions here i would say there are enough people who would buy such a basic model. The M60 was just too expensive for them. And since Leica is capable of producing so much variations of the current M ( M, MP, Safari, Monochrom, M-E ) i don't really see a problem introducing two variations of the new M. And you are right: there was a Volvo 245 and a 264, but no 246... My mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Exodies Posted November 17, 2015 Share #282 Posted November 17, 2015 It's rather condescending of you to lump all those who want some feature of a hypothetical new camera in the M Bloat category. We are not a homogeneous bunch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmx_2 Posted November 17, 2015 Share #283 Posted November 17, 2015 When i read the reactions here i would say there are enough people who would buy such a basic model. The M60 was just too expensive for them. And since Leica is capable of producing so much variations of the current M ( M, MP, Safari, Monochrom, M-E ) i don't really see a problem introducing two variations of the new M. And you are right: there was a Volvo 245 and a 264, but no 246... My mistake. And here a 264 shot with a 246 Sorry, I just couldn't resist :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 17, 2015 Share #284 Posted November 17, 2015 Monochrome, on 17 Nov 2015 - 09:34, said: When i read the reactions here i would say there are enough people who would buy such a basic model. The M60 was just too expensive for them. And since Leica is capable of producing so much variations of the current M ( M, MP, Safari, Monochrom, M-E ) i don't really see a problem introducing two variations of the new M. And you are right: there was a Volvo 245 and a 264, but no 246... My mistake. Well, you are right that Leica introduced the Monochrom with a sales expectancy of 1000/year at a reasonable price, so maybe the idea would work, albeit not as bread-and-butter camera. The M60 is indeed a beautiful camera, much nicer in the hand than on a photograph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 17, 2015 Share #285 Posted November 17, 2015 I think it's the non Estate version: https://www.google.nl/search?q=volvo+246+gl&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CCAQsARqFQoTCPjuzPCCl8kCFYN7DgodHjUCjw&biw=1280&bih=695 I'm driving a Volvo 240/245 Estate. Our 245 stranded in France this summer. Hauled by the ANWB to Holland. The 240 camera was fine the whole trip. but I shurely hope the M240 will also last for 36 years! No, that was the 240/242/244262/264. The 2 indicates the series, the 4/6 the number of cylinders and the last number the number of doors. There were a few six-doored limousine versions, but as those were conversions, they never were part of the numbering system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaolaotou Posted November 17, 2015 Share #286 Posted November 17, 2015 M60 in massive production? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 17, 2015 Share #287 Posted November 17, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, massive... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 17, 2015 Share #288 Posted November 17, 2015 We are not a homogeneous bunch. And one of Leica's 'strengths' has been to reduce small runs of specialised cameras so hopefully they will realise that differences in camera type, from simplistic to heavily specified, are as important as anything else when it comes to sales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted November 17, 2015 Share #289 Posted November 17, 2015 The 2 indicates the series, the 4/6 the number of cylinders and the last number the number of doors. My first 'decent' car was a 343 (all explained above now ). Its best attribute was an ability to shove other cars out of the way when I got blocked in whilst parked which seemed to happen until the other drivers/parkers got the message. Slight marks on the 343's bumpers but nothing else. A bit of a workhorse (as most of my cars have been). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 17, 2015 Share #290 Posted November 17, 2015 I once had a 343 Diesel - it was so slow that I always had to watch out for its own shadow overtaking it. (sorry for the OT,folks) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted November 17, 2015 Share #291 Posted November 17, 2015 No, that was the 240/242/244262/264. The 2 indicates the series, the 4/6 the number of cylinders and the last number the number of doors. There were a few six-doored limousine versions, but as those were conversions, they never were part of the numbering system. So the 240 was a 2 series, 4 cylinders and no doors? I enjoyed driving in the UK in the late 1980s, before people bought big 4 wheel drive cars -you could tell the drivers more interested in safety than, well, driving. If ever there was a traffic jam or other problem, the cause would be some one in a Volvo doing something thoughtless. Then, briefly, the Volvo became cool (like The Saint). Those were dodgy times to ride motorcycles because you didn't know who to avoid. The thoughtless and frankly dangerous could be driving anything! Then big 4x4s because popular and safety and normality returned to the roads. Now I avoid nice and clean 4x4s (it's different if they're dirty), hybrids and Priuses. They're too busy saving the planet to be aware of anyone else on the road - especially motorcycles. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 17, 2015 Share #292 Posted November 17, 2015 IkarusJohn, on 17 Nov 2015 - 11:32, said: So the 240 was a 2 series, 4 cylinders and no doors? I enjoyed driving in the UK in the late 1980s, before people bought big 4 wheel drive cars -you could tell the drivers more interested in safety than, well, driving. If ever there was a traffic jam or other problem, the cause would be some one in a Volvo doing something thoughtless. Then, briefly, the Volvo became cool (like The Saint). Those were dodgy times to ride motorcycles because you didn't know who to avoid. The thoughtless and frankly dangerous could be driving anything! Then big 4x4s because popular and safety and normality returned to the roads. Now I avoid nice and clean 4x4s (it's different if they're dirty), hybrids and Priuses. They're too busy saving the planet to be aware of anyone else on the road - especially motorcycles. Cheers John No, like Leica, Volvo changed the naming convention later, for one number to indicate the whole series. Having flipped a SUV at just the cost of a front bumper to my car, I am not quite convinced about the safety of higher vehicles... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted November 17, 2015 Share #293 Posted November 17, 2015 And here a 264 shot with a 246 Sorry, I just couldn't resist :D No. It is a 164. The front indicates it is a 1973 or newer. The doors are 1971 or older. It looks like a US export modell reimported to Europe (Köln). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted November 17, 2015 Share #294 Posted November 17, 2015 This is a 1972 164. It got the old front with the new doors. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/252591-new-leica-m-in-september-2016-the-speculations/?do=findComment&comment=2930426'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 17, 2015 Share #295 Posted November 17, 2015 I know I am as guilty as anybody . But let's get back to Leicas... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ricard Posted November 17, 2015 Share #296 Posted November 17, 2015 Since there are FAR better tools to shoot video with, why clutter up a simple RFcamera with it. OK if its there some will use it but I'd prefer it not to be there at all. Clutter up? Really? My M240 has exactly ONE super small button on it's top plate for video. Just One. The useless frame preview lever added back to the M-P version of the camera adds far more clutter and is far less useful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relms Posted November 17, 2015 Share #297 Posted November 17, 2015 Just enough new features/enhancements on the new M to make me want one, but not so many that I have to have one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted November 17, 2015 Share #298 Posted November 17, 2015 The frame preview lever useless? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithlaban.co.uk Posted November 17, 2015 Share #299 Posted November 17, 2015 Please can we retain dedicated buttons as on the M240. The rear of the S and SL look very tidy but I'm not at all keen on multiple button presses or trawling through menus for everyday settings. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Rawcs Posted November 17, 2015 Share #300 Posted November 17, 2015 Clutter up? Really? My M240 has exactly ONE super small button on it's top plate for video. Just One. The useless frame preview lever added back to the M-P version of the camera adds far more clutter and is far less useful. I love the frame preview lever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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