jaapv Posted November 18, 2015 Share #381 Posted November 18, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I doubt Leica will remove functionality from the M(240), but that doesn't change the debate. Let me put this another way. One signal approach Leica has adopted from the beginning is that any addition or change to it's cameras needs to be driven by improving the final image. It has never included functionality because it can - that's the Sony approach. If it doesn't improve the photograph and you can't do it well, don't do it. That, more than anything else is why I didn't buy the M(240). Besides, I had M lenses. The added functionality gave nothing for me. Yes, the core was improved, but the M9 was fine, until it's sensor died. The M isn't about adding your R lenses to your bag, it's about the M lenses. If you want long telephotos etc, then yes, it's the SL you need. The M system isn't improved in any respect by adding R lenses, in my view. I resigned myself to having another camera for telephotos, AF, video and anything else electronics bring me. But for compact simplicity and fabulous lenses, I'll take the M every time. Cheers John For the M lenses and the rangefinder yes, but I have been spoiled by the long R lenses on the 240. It saves me carrying either a Visoflex with lesser lenses or a second camera of any brand with the additional video functionality. Should Leica bring out an EVF-less and video-less main M it would cause me to use my 240 as much longer as is reasonable and then look for a replacement body that can do it all. It might be a secondhand SL, but equally any other brand. As long as I get the shots that I want. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IkarusJohn Posted November 18, 2015 Share #382 Posted November 18, 2015 You got me sad. I never thought you say this. The world is end. I feel the same. Francisco. I agree. I'm going to go up and jump off the roof of my building ... Nah, maybe not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share #383 Posted November 18, 2015 The strength of the M camera is that core. Let me put this another way. If a buyer was coming to digital Leica afresh, perhaps with an M6 and a few lenses and an R8 with some R glass, what would they buy? Money no object, they'd want the M for what it has always been; compact and fabulous. I see more young people photographing with M6 camera's. One argument is: " They just look so wonderful ". What they mean I could imagine. The strenght of the M IMHO is also it's "perfectness". Perfectness by the right design in the 50-ies and it's devellopement on it's way to digital M. Of course you could say, what is so perfect, one could develope more? I'm pleading for less instead of more. Just going back to the simplicity. I feel terrible, when I sometimes forget , the function of a ,long not used, button on my M . I see the M as a piece of art. Of course you can make it " better " and there were some very good efforts, but in the end it's like the scene in " Ammadeus " the Milos Forman film. Where Tom Hulce, playing Mozart says: The conductor has torn up a large section of my work. I have to rewrite the Opera. I can't rewrite something that is already perfect..." A few days ago, a very good photographer who uses the M for a living said to me: "What is there to add? Enough is enough, Is doesn't make the photo more great." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 19, 2015 Share #384 Posted November 19, 2015 For the M lenses and the rangefinder yes, but I have been spoiled by the long R lenses on the 240. It saves me carrying either a Visoflex with lesser lenses or a second camera of any brand with the additional video functionality. Should Leica bring out an EVF-less and video-less main M it would cause me to use my 240 as much longer as is reasonable and then look for a replacement body that can do it all. It might be a secondhand SL, but equally any other brand. As long as I get the shots that I want. I doubt Leica will make a lower-cost camera stripped of those features. If anything they will do it as a special-interest camera aimed at purists willing to pay a handsome premium for whatever ideological comfort they perceive in not having to make a couple quick menu settings on day one to disable two buttons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outspann Posted November 19, 2015 Share #385 Posted November 19, 2015 http://leicarumors.com/2015/11/18/stay-tuned-for-an-interesting-surprise-tomorrow.aspx/ An "interesting" surprise.... hmmm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkonkkrete Posted November 19, 2015 Share #386 Posted November 19, 2015 Probably the X-U Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted November 19, 2015 Share #387 Posted November 19, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Repeat: On behalf of all of us M-shooters struggling with dwindling eyesight: A PROPER DIOPTER (LIKE, S, SL) ON THE M PLEASE !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted November 19, 2015 Share #388 Posted November 19, 2015 http://leicarumors.com/2015/11/18/stay-tuned-for-an-interesting-surprise-tomorrow.aspx/ An "interesting" surprise.... hmmm. I may have been dreaming yesterday but I thought I saw a post in LR about a restyled 28mm Summicron. I went back there in the evening and it was gone. Perhaps it was somewhere else. Here? My mind is going Dave, s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeicaFFM Posted November 19, 2015 Share #389 Posted November 19, 2015 I may have been dreaming yesterday but I thought I saw a post in LR about a restyled 28mm Summicron. I went back there in the evening and it was gone. Perhaps it was somewhere else. Here? My mind is going Dave, s-a It is still there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted November 19, 2015 Share #390 Posted November 19, 2015 I wonder how this debate has played at Wetzlar? - Design the SL and the next M with sufficient functional overlap (e.g. removable hi-res EVF for the M, video button) that you can in theory have full functionality of both bodies across the widest range of lenses and uses. But Leica would lose out if each of us only bought one variety. - Or design them with no overlap (purist M, with clunky/no EVF, no video), so that you'd have to buy both if you want both a compact experience and a full spectrum of focal length and application. Leica would make more money from selling bodies, but I suspect there would be more irritated customers - like Jaap. Even though I've gone down the road of having both, I can see the value in keeping the M as versatile as possible, even if the ways it does this are not needed by some users. ] guess I've been answered: M262. No video, no LV! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted November 19, 2015 Share #391 Posted November 19, 2015 I doubt Leica will make a lower-cost camera stripped of those features. If anything they will do it as a special-interest camera aimed at purists willing to pay a handsome premium for whatever ideological comfort they perceive in not having to make a couple quick menu settings on day one to disable two buttons. Or I could be wrong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Livingston Posted November 19, 2015 Share #392 Posted November 19, 2015 Not entirely... you described the M60 pretty well. I love the fact they have further added to the M series with the new 262 and the 'a la' carte' option on the 240... Obviously aimed at maximising sales of the 240 series and at the same time extending its life just a little longer. The 'configurator' isn't up and running as yet, but it will be soon I am sure... as it happens, I would end up with an almost identical camera to the one I have, but for those who want a camera in a finish they choose, script choices for the top plate and options for video etc, its a VERY cool approach to extend the M Seems Leica are really thinking about their products and their customers. We have been very fortunate with the 240 series, the Q, which is exceptional and then the SL which seems to be a stunning camera... and now more life in the current M... Just think what 2016/2017 will bring for the M...? Honestly, I'm at a loss as to what they could do better... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgio Posted November 19, 2015 Share #393 Posted November 19, 2015 I would love to see a black paint without a screen. All the settings done thru the finder. A very minimalistic camera, but with strap holes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share #394 Posted November 19, 2015 Ok, may be not September 2016 , but somewhat earlier. http://de.leica-camera.com/Corposite?/switchlanguage/to/corposite_ger_de/106350 A move in this way sometimes will point to the developement of a new M in the near future. Also the availability of the full a la cart program, in the past, also point in this way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 19, 2015 Share #395 Posted November 19, 2015 Near? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share #396 Posted November 19, 2015 Near? Sorry, I don't understand? Try saying it in Dutch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 20, 2015 Share #397 Posted November 20, 2015 Ok, may be not September 2016 , but somewhat earlier. http://de.leica-camera.com/Corposite?/switchlanguage/to/corposite_ger_de/106350 A move in this way sometimes will point to the developement of a new M in the near future. Also the availability of the full a la cart program, in the past, also point in this way. this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cafecacao Posted December 4, 2015 Share #398 Posted December 4, 2015 read your comments, i was laughing to stomachache. i also wish M240 will be reduce price, let me get it on hand hahahahahh.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mornnb Posted December 6, 2015 Share #399 Posted December 6, 2015 I see more young people photographing with M6 camera's. One argument is: " They just look so wonderful ". What they mean I could imagine. The strenght of the M IMHO is also it's "perfectness". Perfectness by the right design in the 50-ies and it's devellopement on it's way to digital M. Of course you could say, what is so perfect, one could develope more? I'm pleading for less instead of more. Just going back to the simplicity. I feel terrible, when I sometimes forget , the function of a ,long not used, button on my M . I see the M as a piece of art. Of course you can make it " better " and there were some very good efforts, but in the end it's like the scene in " Ammadeus " the Milos Forman film. Where Tom Hulce, playing Mozart says: The conductor has torn up a large section of my work. I have to rewrite the Opera. I can't rewrite something that is already perfect..." A few days ago, a very good photographer who uses the M for a living said to me: "What is there to add? Enough is enough, Is doesn't make the photo more great." Most finely engineered devices are works of art. You are right that the M240 is essentially the perfect digital Leica. However there are always improvements to make. Long exposure time, EVF and the sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted February 9, 2016 Share #400 Posted February 9, 2016 Built in diopter maybe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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