BerndReini Posted November 21, 2015 Share #41 Posted November 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Selling this weekend. Horrible mistake. Unless you shoot mostly in studio or at events, the 50Apo provides you with a small and lightweight package that is unrivaled in its combination of portability and quality. I want to know in a year whether you don't miss the M combo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 21, 2015 Share #42 Posted November 21, 2015 Horrible mistake. I want to know in a year whether you don't miss the M combo.like a hole in the head Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted November 21, 2015 Share #43 Posted November 21, 2015 Why do you have such a downer on the M system? Was it because you could not focus with it? I find it wonderfully complementary to my S kit... john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Printmaker Posted November 21, 2015 Share #44 Posted November 21, 2015 I agree with John, it is nice to have both. In fact I find the S(2) reduces the need for other formats and systems. I'm using mine in places where I'd have used my 4x5s and 8x10s before as well as MF and 35 mm SLRs. But this camera does not replace any of the M cameras. Leica rangefinders are unique and useful tools. The IQ of the S is amazing and easily on par with larger formats but nothing replaces the experience of photographing with a M camera. A M camera becomes an extension of your mind, eye and hand. Its size and shape is perfectly adapted to quickly capture your vision. The S, on the other hand, is a large, heavy and awkward tool. True, it is smaller and more comfortable to use than other MF digital cameras and all large format cameras, but it is not a M nor could it replace either of my M cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimmel Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share #45 Posted November 21, 2015 I agree with John, it is nice to have both. In fact I find the S(2) reduces the need for other formats and systems. I'm using mine in places where I'd have used my 4x5s and 8x10s before as well as MF and 35 mm SLRs. But this camera does not replace any of the M cameras. Leica rangefinders are unique and useful tools. The IQ of the S is amazing and easily on par with larger formats but nothing replaces the experience of photographing with a M camera. A M camera becomes an extension of your mind, eye and hand. Its size and shape is perfectly adapted to quickly capture your vision. The S, on the other hand, is a large, heavy and awkward tool. True, it is smaller and more comfortable to use than other MF digital cameras and all large format cameras, but it is not a M nor could it replace either of my M cameras. Do you ever go out with both the S and the M? If so, how do you use them in these situations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 21, 2015 Share #46 Posted November 21, 2015 Why do you have such a downer on the M system? Was it because you could not focus with it? I find it wonderfully complementary to my S kit... john As he admitted.....and never tried to check the camera/lens focus calibration using LV, a key benefit of the M240 he owned. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 21, 2015 Share #47 Posted November 21, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Why do you have such a downer on the M system? Was it because you could not focus with it? I find it wonderfully complementary to my S kit... john John I loved my M system, but since moving onto my S system with the AF it better suits my needs and more so my eye sight................that's it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 21, 2015 Share #48 Posted November 21, 2015 John I loved my M system, but since moving onto my S system with the AF it better suits my needs and more so my eye sight................that's it Might be a good idea then, Neil, for you to qualify your M vs S comments, given that others new to either or both systems, who don't have issues regarding vision or focus ability, might be entertaining purchases. Even adding the words 'for me' might help. I realize you're just enthusiastic, and playing a bit, but others who might be considering huge investments may not get the full picture (so to speak). Just a thought. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted November 21, 2015 Share #49 Posted November 21, 2015 Seems odd to slag off the M system so much then, it is expensive but not as much so as the S system. Having said that, my M kit is insured for more than my S kit, and I have all S lenses (45mm is my only CS) other than the 30mm and 100mm! john Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 21, 2015 Share #50 Posted November 21, 2015 Might be a good idea then, Neil, for you to qualify your M vs S comments, given that others new to either or both systems, who don't have issues regarding vision or focus ability, might be entertaining purchases. Even adding the words 'for me' might help. I realize you're just enthusiastic, and playing a bit, but others who might be considering huge investments may not get the full picture (so to speak). Just a thought. Jeff For anyone considering buying the S system over the M system or just another camera to use with the M system "I personally" found the move a good one. Why because I struggled to get sharp focus when using the Rangfinder especially in low light. Maybe this was due to a calibration issue with the lenses that I had, but my gut feeling is that is was due to my deteriorating eyesight and not being able to find a diopter that suited me. Since buying the S I have had no issues with focusing and really no issue with its size even though I did really like the compact size of the M.........................As for IQ between the two it would be like comparing apples with planks of wood (The MF files are just far superior and fantastic to work with in PP)............I guess you get what you pay for. As of writing this, I am now concentrating my photography skills to wildlife and Birds, therefore using a conventional DSLR with super telephoto lenses...........kind of tough to shoot quality shots of birds and wildlife with a Leica Questions? Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 21, 2015 Share #51 Posted November 21, 2015 kind of tough to shoot quality shots of birds and wildlife with a Leica Doug Herr is doing just this all the time... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 21, 2015 Share #52 Posted November 21, 2015 Doug Herr is doing just this all the time... Never heard of her....................Jaap I know you are a die hard Leica guy and that's great but, if you go and look at all the best wildlife photographers in the world I bet you 99.9% of them are NOT shooting birds and wildlife with a Leica.....why would they??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platypus Posted November 21, 2015 Share #53 Posted November 21, 2015 like a hole in the head This atitude is really not necessary. Both systems are top of the line. Both systems have their place in the scheme of things and both have their adherents. There is really no need for these constant, unpleasant and snarky remarks about the M system, apparently merely because it did not suit you personally, for whatever reason. Obviously your problems with the M system will not necessarily apply to other photographers, be they current or potential users, it's highly egocentric to assume that they would. As regards the 50 APO; paired with the MM this lens will produce images that are quite comparable to MF....even when handheld, the convenience of which some photographers, particularly those who walk distances carrying their gear, consider a priority. I simply don't get your insinuation that M files are inferior to work with in post processing, why would that be? And "you get what you pay for".....what's that all about!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 21, 2015 Share #54 Posted November 21, 2015 This atitude is really not necessary. Both systems are top of the line. Both systems have their place in the scheme of things and both have their adherents. There is really no need for these constant, unpleasant and snarky remarks about the M system, apparently merely because it did not suit you personally, for whatever reason. Obviously your problems with the M system will not necessarily apply to other photographers, be they current or potential users, it's highly egocentric to assume that they would. As regards the 50 APO; paired with the MM this lens will produce images that are quite comparable to MF....even when handheld, the convenience of which some photographers, particularly those who walk distances carrying their gear, consider a priority. I simply don't get your insinuation that M files are inferior to work with in post processing, why would that be? And "you get what you pay for".....what's that all about!? have you ever tried working with a Leica S dng file???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 21, 2015 Share #55 Posted November 21, 2015 Seems odd to slag off the M system so much then, it is expensive but not as much so as the S system. Having said that, my M kit is insured for more than my S kit, and I have all S lenses (45mm is my only CS) other than the 30mm and 100mm! john John I am not slagging the M system...... I loved mine when I had it. I just prefer the S system over the M........ That's it it suits my style of photography better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platypus Posted November 21, 2015 Share #56 Posted November 21, 2015 have you ever tried working with a Leica S dng file???? No...but hey!...have you ever tried working with a file from an MM/APO 50 combo? I just don't understand why you feel compelled to constantly put down the M system, it's simply not necessary....so you didn't get on with your Ms, that doesn't make them wrong and the S system right. It's the same old thing; horses for courses....can't you just let it be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 21, 2015 Share #57 Posted November 21, 2015 No...but hey!...have you ever tried working with a file from an MM/APO 50 combo? yes many times....... And fantastic pictures were to be had :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
platypus Posted November 21, 2015 Share #58 Posted November 21, 2015 yes many times....... And fantastic pictures were to be had :) Well what does that tell you (we're going round in circles here).... By the way...was the bit about pp the only part of my post you bothered to read? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted November 21, 2015 Share #59 Posted November 21, 2015 By the way...was the bit about pp the only part of my post you bothered to read? Yes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 22, 2015 Share #60 Posted November 22, 2015 Never heard of her....................Jaap I know you are a die hard Leica guy and that's great but, if you go and look at all the best wildlife photographers in the world I bet you 99.9% of them are NOT shooting birds and wildlife with a Leica.....why would they??? Well, maybe you should read the forum more widely - he is a world-renown wildlife and bird photographer, active on this forum. And from my own experience I can say that it is no problem to get good wildlife and bird shots using a Leica. And I shot Canon before, in case you want to ask. That remark about it being difficult is bollocks. I bet you 99% of photographers in general are not using Leica. Why should wildlife be different? Well, with an S - yes - it lacks long lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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