Mornnb Posted October 22, 2015 Share #61 Posted October 22, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) There are optical challenges. One needs a flipping mirror to redirect the EVF into the viewfinder. More difficult when one needs a mechanical rangefinder mechanism. But possible if they replace the optical rangefinder overlay with an EVF overlay in the OVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pico Posted October 22, 2015 Share #62 Posted October 22, 2015 The guys shooting football could never afford to buy their own gear. They are the most underpaid photographers in the world. Motion picture makers used to be the only artists that could not afford their own gear. Many still find it most cost-effective to rent. But back to sports photographers, major manufacturers loan their best gear at zero dollars - to the talented. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 22, 2015 Share #63 Posted October 22, 2015 From the few shots I have seen so far from the SL the IQ seems superior, particularly the high ISO. You also get autofocus and a world-class EVF. All for $1200 more than an M. Where do you get this figure from? B&H has it $454 more than the M-P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 22, 2015 Share #64 Posted October 22, 2015 The argument that the SL can M and R lenses is valid, but these lenses may also be used on Sony, not any advantage buying the Leica for that, it brings nothing more. Sorry, I can't agree with that. Testing so far suggests that the SL performs better with M lenses than the A7 (see Jono's report). The Leica also brings a different camera (bigger), different user interface (more coherent, in my experience), faster EVF and to my eye a better image quality. Now, you can disagree with what is personal preference, but I don't think it is accurate to say "it brings nothing more" - the SL is different to the A7 in those respects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 23, 2015 Share #65 Posted October 23, 2015 Sorry, I can't agree with that. Testing so far suggests that the SL performs better with M lenses than the A7 (see Jono's report). The Leica also brings a different camera (bigger), different user interface (more coherent, in my experience), faster EVF and to my eye a better image quality. Now, you can disagree with what is personal preference, but I don't think it is accurate to say "it brings nothing more" - the SL is different to the A7 in those respects. Be careful John, as Jono has not tested M lenses on the latest A7R2 from my reading his review, so the jury is still out. However, quite a few Leica owners who also have that new A7R2 say many M lenses work well on it all the way from the 16-21 Tri-elmar, 21/1.4, 35/2 to the 50/2. Teles of course do. Oh, also the venerable 28-90 works well on the A7R2 which I recall you could not get due to motorbike repair bills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 23, 2015 Share #66 Posted October 23, 2015 I think Jono said he was going to give us a detailed comparison with the A7r2 shortly. I'm not sure how much of a difference this will make to me; I have all the Sony mount adapters, but my experience with the first edition has rather poisoned that brand for me, where not so with the Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted October 23, 2015 Share #67 Posted October 23, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) I can imagine myself giving up my Nikon gear for sports, IF Leica can make focus tracking work well on a fast long SL lens. I realize that "IF" is a long way off from becoming a reality. But I could de a happy camper with only a M and a SL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 23, 2015 Share #68 Posted October 23, 2015 Be careful John, as Jono has not tested M lenses on the latest A7R2 from my reading his review, so the jury is still out. However, quite a few Leica owners who also have that new A7R2 say many M lenses work well on it all the way from the 16-21 Tri-elmar, 21/1.4, 35/2 to the 50/2. Teles of course do. Oh, also the venerable 28-90 works well on the A7R2 which I recall you could not get due to motorbike repair bills. Better as in less corner shading and vignetting, but the 7r2 has the same cover glass as all a7 variants and the smearing is exactly the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffry Abt Posted October 23, 2015 Share #69 Posted October 23, 2015 BTW...to the OP. I'm not worried at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 23, 2015 Share #70 Posted October 23, 2015 Better as in less corner shading and vignetting, but the 7r2 has the same cover glass as all a7 variants and the smearing is exactly the same. That's rather what I am expecting. It would be great to see how the 28 Summicron performs on the A7R2, before we all get too excited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahto Posted October 24, 2015 Share #71 Posted October 24, 2015 That's rather what I am expecting. It would be great to see how the 28 Summicron performs on the A7R2, before we all get too excited. Jim Kasson has done testing of 28 elmarit-M ASPH on M240 vs A7II with Kolari mod and the results are in favor of M (see below). I don't expect A7R2 to do better even with Kolari mod. Without the mod, it will be worse. http://blog.kasson.com/?p=10945 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
traphagen Posted October 24, 2015 Share #72 Posted October 24, 2015 I haven't carefully read the entire thread but I did get to shoot with SL at PhotoPlus Expo. I doubt very much that it will be a failure -- and there is little comparison to an A7 series (I do have one). They are not remotely in the same league from what I saw. Power on and autofocus are instantaneous. Autofocus seems incredibly accurate. The EVF is far and away the best I've ever seen -- although I prefer optical, I didn't feel like I was looking through a miniature television screen. It fires fast. I believe it is setting some new standards for even the major companies. It is also surprisingly heavy and feels as the most solidly built camera I've ever held. The price for the body isn't out of line with the pro Canon body. Lenses are considerably more expensive (and considerably fewer in number) -- but everybody is raising lens prices these days, plus not a shock that Leica lenses are more expensive. Since I shoot for print publications, my M240, Monochrom and Canon gear will suffice for now. But I'd love an SL. I just can't justify it right now. But I certainly don't think it will be a failure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZDavid Posted October 24, 2015 Share #73 Posted October 24, 2015 Motion picture makers used to be the only artists that could not afford their own gear. Many still find it most cost-effective to rent. But back to sports photographers, major manufacturers loan their best gear at zero dollars - to the talented. I doubt we'll even see a SL here for several months. Slightly OT re movie cameras, Blackmagic has been a game-changer. A clever design. I heard a talk from the designers in Sydney. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/nz/products/cinemacameras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rshseow Posted October 27, 2015 Share #74 Posted October 27, 2015 Jim Kasson has done testing of 28 elmarit-M ASPH on M240 vs A7II with Kolari mod and the results are in favor of M (see below). I don't expect A7R2 to do better even with Kolari mod. Without the mod, it will be worse. http://blog.kasson.com/?p=10945 M is still the best "compact" body for M lenses. Diglloyd has just published tests onA7Rii modified (Mod) vs Unmodified (Unmod) for M lenses: 18SEM, 28Lux and 50AA Great improvement in corner sharpness for Mod vs Unmod. However, the Mod thinner sensor cover glass messes up white balance of the file. It varies with different lighting and could be a chore for post processing(?) " the modified camera requires a radically different white balance and tint than an unmodified camera; the image turns bluish and greenish, necessitating a higher color temperature and a big dose of magenta tint." Richard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodluvan Posted October 27, 2015 Share #75 Posted October 27, 2015 I predict the SL will be a success. It's not excessively expensive Jesus, what world are you people living in? an average mirrorless camera for the gear-centric weekend enthusiast for $7.5K Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 27, 2015 Share #76 Posted October 27, 2015 Jesus, what world are you people living in? an average mirrorless camera for the gear-centric weekend enthusiast for $7.5K 5750€ I think it's a reasonable price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted October 27, 2015 Share #77 Posted October 27, 2015 Jesus, what world are you people living in? an average mirrorless camera for the gear-centric weekend enthusiast for $7.5K Who was it who used to say in here "there's no such thing as expensive, just bad career choices"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 27, 2015 Share #78 Posted October 27, 2015 Who was it who used to say in here "there's no such thing as expensive, just bad career choices"? That would be our former tango dancing lion hunter who was born on third base and travels with a personal assistant. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loren Posted October 28, 2015 Share #79 Posted October 28, 2015 what world are you people living in? an average mirrorless camera for the gear-centric weekend enthusiast for $7.5K The same planet that has a list price for an M 240 at $7,250 USD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted October 28, 2015 Share #80 Posted October 28, 2015 The same planet that has a list price for an M 240 at $7,250 USD. Nothing wrong with that either. I'm not really sure why people get upset about expensive products, as if they're supposed to be sold cheap for the benefit of the masses I personally never get upset about such matters. If I really want a certain product, but it's too expensive for me, I either save up or just forget about it. I never point my finger at the buyers and manufacturers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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