elmars Posted September 7, 2015 Share #41 Posted September 7, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Better - but yellow and magenta will continue to raise their head in Caucasian skin and blue in African. I once wrote a post on it - I'll have to find it- it is about metamerism, skin anatomy and our brain's ability to filter colour which the camera lacks. I would like to read tthe post! Elmar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 7, 2015 Posted September 7, 2015 Hi elmars, Take a look here Now that the sensor issue on M9 is resolved ,how many of you would go BACK ?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
viramati Posted September 7, 2015 Share #42 Posted September 7, 2015 Not so much go back as I have sold my M for other reasons and it is obviously a better camera but I could consider a used M9 as prices go down for use with my remaining leica lenses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 7, 2015 Share #43 Posted September 7, 2015 I would like to read tthe post! Elmar If we consider the anatomy of skin in as far as it is relevant to photographic rendering we find a layered structure. A fatty base layer, opaque yellowish white, then a layer of capillary veins red to blueish, depending on oxygen saturation and with a density depending on the distribution of veins and arteries. Highly IR reflective. Then Melanin particles which are visible light absorbent, UV reflective and providing toning from Finnish nothing to the blackest African skin, covered by a translucent white layer. This means a large amount of metamerism and a virtually impossible exact rendering. .Added to the above, our cameras record objectively, something our eyes and brain are incapable of. In real life, the "Photoshop" embedded in the human brain will correct colours and colour patches/blotches to a more even tone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted September 7, 2015 Share #44 Posted September 7, 2015 .Added to the above, our cameras record objectively, something our eyes and brain are incapable of. In real life, the "Photoshop" embedded in the human brain will correct colours and colour patches/blotches to a more even tone. I think I missed an upgrade Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted September 7, 2015 Share #45 Posted September 7, 2015 no but I might get a M9 as well in the future when they are a bit cheaper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kilmister Posted September 7, 2015 Share #46 Posted September 7, 2015 The M9-P was an aesthetically beautiful camera. I was tempted to buy one before the M 240 was announced. Now rumours are out about a replacement. However, from what I can see, most of it is a load of rubbish dreamt up by people with a huge imagination and not much wisdom as far as I can see. They fight, they wrangle, they suppose, which is all a waste of time. Deal with real. If you can snap up an M9, M9-P, or M240 while this supposition continues then you will still end up with a really well manufactured piece of photographic history. Unless you are a film fan then digital is the way forward. The M9 took a giant step into being full frame, mirrorless, digital camera. Maybe a bit noisier than the M240, but compact and fun. BTW, nothing wrong if you love film. I just got tired of the processing bit for personal reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacka Posted September 15, 2015 Share #47 Posted September 15, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Now that the sensor issue on the M9 seems to be resolved, how many of you who have "converted" to M240 would go back to M9 or would buy a 2d hand M9 ? Obviously it is a camera with more limitations (LV missing, lower ISO performance, no video etc..) but as a previous owner , I felt the M9 had a special feel to its more simpler use and the out of camera images had a special feel. So , for me it is not a straight forward decision to go continue with the M240 as a non professional. How do the others feel here ? The problem is that it's too weak sauce. The sensor was seriously compromised in absolute terms whatever people say about its output. On the other hand, while the M9 was an excusable second-gen which brought the digital M into being arguably the first 'real' digital Leica, the M240 feels even more amateur hour in many ways with the features they did add on. As much as I love shooting with the rangefinder concept, if Leica brings out an interchangeable Q with an M adapter as mooted, I might jump ship for that - especially as the Q is the first EVF'd camera I need peaking as only a least important guide, not something I need to rely on since the VF doesn't have enough resoluton for me to see. On the other hand if they are preparing a mashup of the Q and the M (and NOT in the comedy digital rangefinder Fuji vein) - modernising the VF while not being distracting and injecting the speed boost of the Q - I'm all for that. The M240 is too slow in it's subsystems for a contemporary camera, and while there are definitely some usability factors for the M9, it's even 'worse' as an overall package. Rock and a hard place, until we get to see what Leica has for us next. I'm definitely sticking with the 240 for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichM1c Posted September 20, 2015 Share #48 Posted September 20, 2015 I do enjoy my M240 but I decided to keep my M9-P and Monochrom as I enjoy using them as well. If I had to make a decision on which to keep it would be the M240. After all these years of using M9s I have never totally gotten used to the buzzing shutter reset sound... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thompsonkirk Posted September 20, 2015 Share #49 Posted September 20, 2015 I never moved on from M9s. I sold mine when they were still worth something and started using an A7 for occasional color and an MM for 'serious' BW. Recently I found a demo M-E with warranty for under $3K and also upgraded to A7RII, which I use with MATE and WATE. I'll keep MM &/or M-E to use with my favorite M lenses, but I'm unlikely to acquire any further Leica bodies. My first one (M4) served me for 40 years, and I'm tired of buying and replacing $4-7K digital bodies as if they were consumer goods. Kirk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnew Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share #50 Posted September 21, 2015 I'll keep MM &/or M-E to use with my favorite M lenses, but I'm unlikely to acquire any further Leica bodies. My first one (M4) served me for 40 years, and I'm tired of buying and replacing $4-7K digital bodies as if they were consumer goods. Kirk Thanks Kirk. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olsen Posted September 30, 2015 Share #51 Posted September 30, 2015 I was very pleased with the Leica trade-in offer. I had plans to buy a M (240) anyway and finance it by selling my M9. But the offer was the kick in the ass. Just very comfortable. - I am not good at pulling the last Kroner out of a young student buying his first 2. hand Leica.... Looking back at the files of pictures I took with my M9 - I conclude that it was a good friendship. It took some damned good pictures, that M9! It was predictable and produced some remarkable results some times. But I must have forgotten that it took me a while before I got that familiar with it. Looking back at files I see that I spent full two months just testing the M9 to get familiar with it. - Like I do now. Go back? No. The world moves forward and Leica with it. I am just amazed at how much my new M P (240) can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted October 1, 2015 Share #52 Posted October 1, 2015 There is a lightness and simplicity to the M9 that I love. The addition of an optical viewfinder on top and a superb lens makes me forget about all the technical advancements. Parting with my M9 is unthinkable, it shares an esthetic beauty that is Leica M and the images continues to amaze. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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