c4change Posted July 23, 2015 Share #21 Posted July 23, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) The only time I use the 020 finder on X is for vertical viewing/framing. It provides many creative photoshooting opportunities that a non-tilt OVF/EVF can not. For this purpose no internal EVF would work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jonathan Cooke Posted July 23, 2015 Share #22 Posted July 23, 2015 An EVF in place of the flash would be nice, but the only thing I would wish for is the AF speed of the Q. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiafish Posted July 23, 2015 Share #23 Posted July 23, 2015 An EVF in place of the flash would be nice, but the only thing I would wish for is the AF speed of the Q. Sadly it is older and slower. For my needs it is more than fast enough. When I really need speed, I am usually at f/8 and hyperlocal anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Cooke Posted August 2, 2015 Share #24 Posted August 2, 2015 Sadly it is older and slower. For my needs it is more than fast enough. When I really need speed, I am usually at f/8 and hyperlocal anyway. Very true. And I also use f8 - f11 hyperfocal, but every now and then fast focus at f2.8 would be nice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share #25 Posted August 2, 2015 I doubt that Leica would consider launching a new camera with AF speeds similar to the X1. That is progress as exemplified in the Q. I see no reason why a modern integrated EVF and state of art AF could not be included in the desired upgrade model. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Cooke Posted August 2, 2015 Share #26 Posted August 2, 2015 I doubt that Leica would consider launching a new camera with AF speeds similar to the X1. That is progress as exemplified in the Q. I see no reason why a modern integrated EVF and state of art AF could not be included in the desired upgrade model. I would agree, and if Leica did include EVF and state of the art AF in to an updated X1/2 I would buy one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevidon Posted August 26, 2015 Share #27 Posted August 26, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) A modern X1,2,X-E? What is not modern about them? They are and were conceived as a simple, easy to use high quality small camera in the spirit of the original Leica UR. With the OVF it is like the Leica I. It has a built in flash seldom used but there if you want fill flash and don't want to have a extra pocket bulge. For those who feel the need for an EVF you can clip one on. I have an M9P, Olympus E-M5 and a Fuji XPro-1, but my X-2 in small, cvonvenient and does what it was intended to do. It is not a one size fits all. It is a straight forward quality image maker with very high IQ. What more do you need? If you need more, there are plenty of other brand choices out there including Leica. As for dust on the sensor? Mine X-2 still has a spotless sensor, notwithstanding the moving and telescoping lens barrel. The only product change I would suggest is to offer a 28mm lens version in addition to the 35mm version for those who wish a wider field of view such as the Sigma does for those purchasers who wish to have the choice. Otherwise, leave the X-1, 2 and E concept alone. It serves exactly the purpose for which it was intended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trivette Posted August 26, 2015 Share #28 Posted August 26, 2015 I like my X2 exactly as it is: a compact point and shoot with an excellent fixed focal length lens. I have a tiny Voigtländer OVF which I attach when needed. Compared to other P&S cameras which I have owned, this is clearly the best. No camera will be perfect for all users: Like the end of the rainbow, the Holy Grail does not exist. Wishing for this and that special feature is merely a game. If one's wish were to be granted, other wishes would take its place. With cameras, I rather enjoy their limitations and eccentricities, which can actually stimulate creativity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevidon Posted August 27, 2015 Share #29 Posted August 27, 2015 I like my X2 exactly as it is: a compact point and shoot with an excellent fixed focal length lens. I have a tiny Voigtländer OVF which I attach when needed. Compared to other P&S cameras which I have owned, this is clearly the best. No camera will be perfect for all users: Like the end of the rainbow, the Holy Grail does not exist. Wishing for this and that special feature is merely a game. If one's wish were to be granted, other wishes would take its place. With cameras, I rather enjoy their limitations and eccentricities, which can actually stimulate creativity. Before I bought the EVF ( an excellent ++ used Olympus VF-2 ), I used the Olympus VF-1 optical viewfinder. Don't be put off by the 17mm labelling. It's designed for a MFT format which has a FF equivelent ratio of 2:1. Therefore it's field of view is 34mm and is close enough to the Leica 36 mm if you don't mind a little cropping in your post processing workflow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted August 28, 2015 Share #30 Posted August 28, 2015 A compact Elmarit or Summarit with aperture ring and distance scale, pop up EVF in lieu of the flash and an aps-c sensor sans AA filter and all in original X1 size and form factor would be fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiafish Posted August 28, 2015 Share #31 Posted August 28, 2015 The current X113 is more than adequate. After 8 months it is my favorite camera, and it accompanies me on more of my travels than any other including my Ms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share #32 Posted August 29, 2015 The current X113 is more than adequate. After 8 months it is my favorite camera, and it accompanies me on more of my travels than any other including my Ms. I am sure you are right if you are not seeking a truly compact APS-C camera. Size and compactness are important additional criteria for many users including me. If that means sacrificing the size and speed of the Summilux lens, sobeit. I could accept a slower lens of impeccable performance provided it moved towards the compactness and neatness of the X1/X2/X-E. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trivette Posted August 30, 2015 Share #33 Posted August 30, 2015 I may need to get an EVF for the X2 if it helps with manual focus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbealnz Posted August 30, 2015 Share #34 Posted August 30, 2015 I don't have the X2, but the EVF is invaluable for focus with the X-Vario, same EVF. Well worth the money. Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted August 30, 2015 Share #35 Posted August 30, 2015 To is day I still don't understand what advantages the X line has over de Fuji X100 line which has a faster aperture and a hybrid viewfinder and I think sensor wise they are maybe on the same IQ level. The wishes that X users express for future models seem to be things that are already in the X100 line of cameras. If this is so, why stay in the X line instead of the X100 line, other than the love for the brand? (I am not trying to be provocative, it really is an honest question since I always found the X inferior to the X100 and thus don't understand what makes the X so interesting to a lot o people, so bear with me please ) thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted August 30, 2015 Share #36 Posted August 30, 2015 Might it be the "Leica look" factor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted August 30, 2015 Share #37 Posted August 30, 2015 To is day I still don't understand what advantages the X line has over de Fuji X100 line which has a faster aperture and a hybrid viewfinder and I think sensor wise they are maybe on the same IQ level. The wishes that X users express for future models seem to be things that are already in the X100 line of cameras. If this is so, why stay in the X line instead of the X100 line, other than the love for the brand? (I am not trying to be provocative, it really is an honest question since I always found the X inferior to the X100 and thus don't understand what makes the X so interesting to a lot o people, so bear with me please ) thanks I had the X1 and have never handled the x100 - but I will take a stab at answering your question. The x1 is simple. Pick-up, frame shoot- in both raw and jpg. The controls were as analogue as any (up to now) the menus are intuitive and easily accessible. The IQ is amazing for any camera albeit an Aps-c crop sensor camera. I had more keepers either the X1 than any other camera up to my Q. I only sold the X1 after I had the q for a few weeks. I missed an EVF on the x1 and because the q shoots at about the same image size (when cropped to 35mmFL) the X1 would not be used as often as the Q. does the Fuji do the same? I do not know. But there is a lot to like about the x series. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share #38 Posted August 30, 2015 To is day I still don't understand what advantages the X line has over de Fuji X100 line which has a faster aperture and a hybrid viewfinder and I think sensor wise they are maybe on the same IQ level. The wishes that X users express for future models seem to be things that are already in the X100 line of cameras. If this is so, why stay in the X line instead of the X100 line, other than the love for the brand? (I am not trying to be provocative, it really is an honest question since I always found the X inferior to the X100 and thus don't understand what makes the X so interesting to a lot o people, so bear with me please ) thanks The Fuji camera is very good. Several of my friends bought the X100 when I already had the X1. (The X1 predated the X100 by a year) Today I still have my X1 but my friends have moved on to other models. Despite the different lens speeds, the Elmarit appears to produce superior image quality at full aperture. (Based on reported findings, not my own comparison) The hybrid finder is clearly superior to a demountable optical finder; but that does not stop the excellent X1 producing top quality results all the time. A successor should have an inbuilt EVF judging by progress with the Leica Q which is a global leader in viewfinder technology. Those who use and know the X1 are more likely to wait for a natural Leica successor. Call it Leica loyalty if you will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiafish Posted August 30, 2015 Share #39 Posted August 30, 2015 To is day I still don't understand what advantages the X line has over de Fuji X100 line which has a faster aperture and a hybrid viewfinder and I think sensor wise they are maybe on the same IQ level. The wishes that X users express for future models seem to be things that are already in the X100 line of cameras. If this is so, why stay in the X line instead of the X100 line, other than the love for the brand? (I am not trying to be provocative, it really is an honest question since I always found the X inferior to the X100 and thus don't understand what makes the X so interesting to a lot o people, so bear with me please ) thanks I played with the Fuji and its files. Compared to the X series, the Fuji felt of cheaper build. JPEGs are about equal to Leica's, but the raw files were finicky in Lightroom. if I coudn't afford the X I might go for the X100, but the X was w I thin my range and I don't regret buying it at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted August 31, 2015 Share #40 Posted August 31, 2015 Initially I ordered the Fuji, after just a few hours it was obvious to me that the build quality was less than acceptable to me. The menus and general layout felt arse about face'' The X1 was ordered and the Fuji returned. Oh what a pleasure to use the Leica.. IMHO it's a real camera...the results prove it.. Everyone to his own....L Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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