A miller Posted April 16, 2015 Share #1 Posted April 16, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Does anyone know how to use the Manual mode to make the least powerful fill-flash so that on a reasonably bright day I only need to stop down an extra stop in order to compensate? Do I simply set the aperture on the flash to a wide open f-stop? The "partial light output" settings really throw me bc, while it seems to allow for the adjustment of the light output, there are so many increments. I am guessing that the farthest from 1/1 that I go the weaker the flash output I will get, but I don't know the extent. Anyone have a sense? I will want to use the HSS setting for this. Many thanks, Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Hi A miller, Take a look here Mecablitz 54 MZ-3 question on a film M. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
MAX Posted April 16, 2015 Share #2 Posted April 16, 2015 You need this sca Adapter for HSS ( only used with the M7 ) http://www.metz.us/sca-3502-leica-module The Manual: http://www.metz.de/index.php?eID=tx_nawsecuredl&u=0&file=fileadmin/fm-dam/Download/Homepage_Englisch/Photo_Electronic/Bedienungsanleitung_GB/SCA_Adapter_GB/SCA_3502_M5_Leica_GB.pdf&t=1429273445&hash=adef12bd77c6e18b2f2da3518396d05772b6b7b8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted April 16, 2015 You need this sca Adapter for HSS ( only used with the M7 ) http://www.metz.us/sca-3502-leica-module The Manual: http://www.metz.de/index.php?eID=tx_nawsecuredl&u=0&file=fileadmin/fm-dam/Download/Homepage_Englisch/Photo_Electronic/Bedienungsanleitung_GB/SCA_Adapter_GB/SCA_3502_M5_Leica_GB.pdf&t=1429273445&hash=adef12bd77c6e18b2f2da3518396d05772b6b7b8 I have the adapter, and as far as i can tell none of the settings on it matter if i use it on M mode in HSS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAX Posted April 16, 2015 Share #4 Posted April 16, 2015 I found this information on the M7 manual - page 115 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share #5 Posted April 16, 2015 thanks. I read this. I am trying to figure out how many feet to set the flash at to achieve the appropriate fill flash. I think I will just conduct a formal controlled experiment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted April 17, 2015 Share #6 Posted April 17, 2015 I found this information on the M7 manual - page 115 Zwischenablage01.jpg I didn't know this is possible with the M7! Thanks for the info. Will this work with a Leica SF58 attached in A mode for fill flash? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted April 17, 2015 Share #7 Posted April 17, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Will this work with a Leica SF58 attached in A mode for fill flash? Not sure about A mode but it does at least apparently work at HSS speeds (see here) but it is a while since I owned an M7 so it is not something I can personally verify either way. What I do know is that the M7's HSS capability in practice (I have used the M7, 54MZ-3, and 3502 combination) is that it seems limited in it's usefulness whilst out "in the field" and involves quite a bit of mental calculation. The latter, of course, will become easier the more you use the HSS system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted April 17, 2015 Share #8 Posted April 17, 2015 I think I will just conduct a formal controlled experiment. Yes, I think that is the way forward. It is a long time since I did my own (not very exhausting) experimentation with this combination but I remember it being a bit of a hassle and limited in scope, to say the least. That said, working from the published guide numbers I did at least confirm that the HSS did work as advertised and my flash exposures were as expected (I would have been shooting E6 then so I had less latitude to play with). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted April 17, 2015 What I do know is that the M7's HSS capability in practice (I have used the M7, 54MZ-3, and 3502 combination) is that it seems limited in it's usefulness whilst out "in the field" and involves quite a bit of mental calculation. The latter, of course, will become easier the more you use the HSS system. Well, I figure that it would be fun to play with. I have visualized some images in my head that I think that I can get. To give you a flavor, if I can get something like this at 1/50 I am thinking that I can kick it up a notch with a shutter speed much much higher Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/243699-mecablitz-54-mz-3-question-on-a-film-m/?do=findComment&comment=2799606'>More sharing options...
wattsy Posted April 17, 2015 Share #10 Posted April 17, 2015 Well, I figure that it would be fun to play with. I have visualized some images in my head that I think that I can get. To give you a flavor, if I can get something like this at 1/50 I am thinking that I can kick it up a notch with a shutter speed much much higher Go for it – nothing to do lose with a bit of experimentation. I seem to recall that the problem I ran into was that the flash output in HSS mode is only a fraction of the normal output. Even when used for fill-flash the effective working distance of the flash in this mode was often too limiting for the kind of photographs I wanted to take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
A miller Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share #11 Posted April 17, 2015 Thanks for the input. Without any formal experimenting, my intuition is that, with a meter b/n me and my subject, I should stop down a full stop or 1.5 stops beyond what I normally would shoot at (which in NYC is generally about a half of a stop or a full stop more exposed that the meter reading) and set the distance on the flash to about 5 feet. To get more scientific and actually learn something, I have made myself a grid with 3 columns, one for no exposure adjust, one for 1 stop underexposed and a third for 2 stops underexposed. The rows of the grid represent distance increments of 2 feet, 4 feet, 6 feet and 8 feet. So that's 12 experimental shots of my son at about a meter away. I will sell my results on Amazon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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