MP3 Posted May 17, 2007 Share #21 Posted May 17, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Dear taboyip This kind of bokeh can only be found in older vintage lens. Pre-asph 35 Cron, older 50 Cron or Summarit are by far the closest in Leitz line, but still have some distance in terms of 'pictorial like bokeh' IMHO. I would suggest vintage lens like kinoptik 75/2, 50/2, Dellmeyer Super Six, Alpa Switer 50, ... etc. However, this vintage lens are largely not M-mount. Even if you manage to mount it to an M, they are largely not rangerfinder couple without heavy alternation. Read this thread if you have some time, yes it is a long thread but just page 1 will give you some idea on what I mean above. É«Ó°ÎÞ¼É - дÒ⡢ɢ¾°¡¢ÀÏÃú¾µ.... J.T Kinoptik 75mmF2 Photos I like this pictorial bokeh very much =) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bradreiman Posted May 17, 2007 Share #22 Posted May 17, 2007 noctilux f1 with swirly bokeh....? is this what you're looking for? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/24277-need-help-in-getting-such-bokeh/?do=findComment&comment=258125'>More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted May 18, 2007 Share #23 Posted May 18, 2007 Somebody's got to say it: I think that the bokeh shown in the shots above is really awful, and why people would seek to achieve this is beyond me. I understand now why some people object to bokeh discussions because bokeh requires an easthetic judgment, not a technical one. Still, ni-sen (two-line) bokeh would be considered ugly by most people, as would the bokeh in the pictures above: it seems to me that just because bokeh is a matter of taste — and de gustibus non disputandum est -- doesn't mean there shouldn't be any discussions of bokeh. Here are four examples of what I would call good bokeh, some of it is much milder bokeh than shown above, the quality of which is also important. The third picture is with the DR Summicron at f/2 and the fourth with the Summilux-50 (pre-ASPH) at f.1.4. —Mitch/Bangkok Flickr: Photos from Mitch Alland Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/24277-need-help-in-getting-such-bokeh/?do=findComment&comment=258189'>More sharing options...
bradreiman Posted May 18, 2007 Share #24 Posted May 18, 2007 Somebody's got to say it: I think that the bokeh shown in the shots above is really awful, and why people would seek to achieve this is beyond me. I understand now why some people object to bokeh discussions because bokeh requires an easthetic judgment, not a technical one. Still, ni-sen (two-line) bokeh would be considered ugly by most people, as would the bokeh in the pictures above: it seems to me that just because bokeh is a matter of taste — and de gustibus non disputandum est -- doesn't mean there shouldn't be any discussions of bokeh. Here are four examples of what I would call good bokeh, some of it is much milder bokeh than shown above, the quality of which is also important. The third picture is with the DR Summicron at f/2 and the fourth with the Summilux-50 (pre-ASPH) at f.1.4. Mitch-I get where you're coming from but.....the poster was asking for shots with this kind of bokeh. Only your last shot here really has much "bokeh", the second one is mostly camera shake. I'll reserve judgement on how "awful" your shots are because its a matter of opinion and doesn't relate to the original posters thread. Lots of cute young girls in Bangkok eh? Weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roberth Posted May 18, 2007 Share #25 Posted May 18, 2007 good bad bokeh, whatever, if it helps you subject in some way then go for it. Rokkor MC 58mm f1.2 Jessica and boys photo - Robert Hoehne photos at pbase.com Adrian photo - Robert Hoehne photos at pbase.com Jessica photo - Robert Hoehne photos at pbase.com I find wierd bokeh can enhance a picture by putting a halo effect around the subject. Magic Wand photo - Robert Hoehne photos at pbase.com, a bit of magic from a 50mm summicron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfelder2@nyc.rr.com Posted May 18, 2007 Share #26 Posted May 18, 2007 Taboyip, Well, I'm no expert in Bokeh, but I believe, traditionally, what one strives for in Bokeh is a pleasing, even texture that provides a non-distracting canvas for the foreground focused image. The examples you show of the are flashy, but not the look which the enginners are theoretically designing lenses to achieve -- your example pictures have backgrounds that are jarring and distracting -- they actually draw as much or more attention than the foreground. For what it's worth, some examples from my work: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M7 with a 50mm lens M8 with a 35mm summilux M8 with 35mm summilux Snapshot Artifact Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M7 with a 50mm lens M8 with a 35mm summilux M8 with 35mm summilux Snapshot Artifact ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/24277-need-help-in-getting-such-bokeh/?do=findComment&comment=258232'>More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted May 18, 2007 Share #27 Posted May 18, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yip, I think you should go after whatever looks you want from your lenses. There are no rules in photography, only conventions. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted May 18, 2007 Share #28 Posted May 18, 2007 Sorry, to go off-topic but can someone tell me whether in this new forum setup automatic thread "subscription" doesn't work any longer when you reply to a thread? —Mitch/Bangkok http://www.flickr.com/photos/10268776@N00/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted May 18, 2007 Share #29 Posted May 18, 2007 I think you should go after whatever looks you want from your lenses. There are no rules in photography, only conventions. [/quote Sean, I never suggested that there were any rules: all I wanted to say was that I realized that good or bad bokeh was an aesthetic judgement, and suggested that we needn't refrain from making such judgments. Bradley, similarly I don't have any problems in your commenting on the awfulness of my pictures, as I believe that, once you post a picture you should be willing to face both positive and negative criticism. —Mitch/Bangkok http://www.flickr.com/photos/10268776@N00/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eoin Posted May 18, 2007 Share #30 Posted May 18, 2007 Mitch, I agree with your view regarding this type of bokeh, while it looks unusual, it makes me dizzy looking at the images. It's certainly a signature look but one I think people would get tired of very quickly. BTW, I've always loved your Thailand images, my other half is Thai so I'm no stranger to the land of smiles. Your images I've seen here and elswhere depict so well the true Thailand I've come to know and love so much. Very enjoyable! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malland Posted May 20, 2007 Share #31 Posted May 20, 2007 Thanks for the kind words, Eoin. —Mitch/Bangkok http://www.flickr.com/photos/10268776@N00/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted May 20, 2007 Share #32 Posted May 20, 2007 I used the Nocti for a couple of days and for some stuff it really looks great but i agree it can look like a spiral diaster also. Sometimes it is just too weird and has a bad effect. Bokeh is great but if the background does not compliment it than it can look ugly. One really has to be careful with any lens for that matter to watch the background details and the distance from your critical focus point the contrast ratio's and highlights that can be in the background. i have had and do have some of the best lenses in the world for bokeh and if not done correctly than it looks like it but if you have all the elements were you want them than the look can be outstanding. it is certainly not a Point and Shoot deal and the Nocti for one means you need to pay attention to all of those elements Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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