otto.f Posted November 29, 2014 Share #21 Posted November 29, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) The X100 cameras intrigue me - the focal plane marking is much closer to the rear of the camera than anything else : wonder how they do it. It is a bit off topic, but look at this on The A7S, it's about 1cm inside the body from the front. I imagine myself in a sandstorm in the Sahara changing lenses, brrrr... very vulnerable construction Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/237727-m-monochrom-replacement-rumors/?do=findComment&comment=2717280'>More sharing options...
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Adrian Lord Posted November 29, 2014 Share #22 Posted November 29, 2014 Hmmm... The bulk of my Monochrome and M240 are identical. This is really a silly Internet myth. Bulk is about weight and dimension. It is over 13% heavier and is bigger, despite your best and most condescending efforts to say otherwise. Not becoming of a moderator, in my view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2014 Share #23 Posted November 29, 2014 Bulk is about weight and dimension. It is over 13% heavier and is bigger, despite your best and most condescending efforts to say otherwise. Not becoming of a moderator, in my view. Really getting our shorts in a wedge about NOTHING....a camera is a camera and a couple of ounces over or under says nothing about its function facility ergonomics nor output... God... I would suggest we have too much time cogitating and not enough experiencing the joy of the moment...decisive or otherwise. I have debated selling my S 006 as the MM hits all of my desires and needs...and if the battery is a bit deficient...then by all means buy a dozen... I remember threading film onto the spool ... battery changes in half the time....and the meter has yet to fail me. Moderation...to whit a moderator's function is not to make every child warm and happy but to keep the scrum honest and forthright....so a bit of condescension may at times be just the ticket....IMHO. Seems that we have a fear of life...hate to buy a camera that the neighbors will know is last years model if something new is released...and in the process miss out on one of the great bargains of digital photography. IT MAKES even the most humble of glass look good. I would posit that JAAPV has distilled the essence of the expertise on the WEB ... folks who have not paid used and dropped any of the above...at our age a couple of millimeters is indistinguishable nor important to the final common output....a picture. I will take my MM over my departed Mamiya 7 II, H3D 39 II or D3S any day and again carry a couple of extra batteries when needed. LIGHTEN up folks...its a hobby or a relatively safe profession for most of us. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted November 30, 2014 Share #24 Posted November 30, 2014 Bulk is about weight and dimension. It is over 13% heavier and is bigger, despite your best and most condescending efforts to say otherwise. Not becoming of a moderator, in my view. Repeating a misconception does not make it true. I have an M8,M9, Monochrom and M240 sitting side by side here - exactly the same size.... Well, the 240 may have ½ mm more depth, I’ll grant you that... As for weight, well, the M series are dense and relatively heavy cameras in general. I notice people complaining about the weight and thinking nothing of mounting a Noctilux instead of a Summicron 35.... I would call those couple of ounces an irrelevancy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted November 30, 2014 Share #25 Posted November 30, 2014 I notice people complaining about the weight and thinking nothing of mounting a Noctilux instead of a Summicron 35.... ….or complaining about the thickness while discussing their new leather case. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted November 30, 2014 Share #26 Posted November 30, 2014 A storm in a teacup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramosa Posted December 8, 2014 Share #27 Posted December 8, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wrong. The depth is virtually the same, within the mm. I would say my M240 is 37.5 mm thick...You include the thumbrest.The weight difference is mainly the battery. Err, so it does actually weigh more, maybe 13% more? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted December 8, 2014 Share #28 Posted December 8, 2014 Yes the weight difference is a stunning 83 grams... Far more than the average person can be expected to lift It takes nearly nine M240-far-too-heavies to make the weight of a Noctilux.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J M Hughes Posted December 8, 2014 Share #29 Posted December 8, 2014 IIRC, the lens assembly on the X100 goes back into the body quite a ways, similar to the RX1. The fixed lens nature of the camera allows it to be a lot more compact than would be possible when accounting for interchangeable lenses and a mount. Sorry, you've misunderstood! What he's saying is that the focal plane marking (the little graphic to the left of the hot shoe) is very close to the back of the camera - which means the space taken by the sensor and screen is very small. He's intrigued they managed to make them so thin. The thickness of the sensor and screen (plus associated circuit boards) accounts for the extra bulk of the digital M bodies. Perhaps one way around this might be to shave a few mm off the front of the M camera, then mount the lens on a spacer (so it sits forward of the body) to compensate. You're correct in saying the rear of the lens assembly on cameras like the X100 and RX1 sit very close to the sensor, but this is not because these models have fixed lenses. The Fuji X series with interchangeable lenses also has a short flange to sensor distance - about 17.5mm, compared to 27.8mm for Leica M. With certain Fuji X lenses, the rear element may be as little as 7.5mm from the sensor. Flange focal distance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted December 8, 2014 Share #30 Posted December 8, 2014 Perhaps one way around this might be to shave a few mm off the front of the M camera, then mount the lens on a spacer (so it sits forward of the body) to compensate. I think there is a limit to how far the mount can protrude from the body (a limit that might have already been reached) without interfering with the geometry of the RF mechanism and its position in relation to the roller cam. The greater the protrusion from the body, the greater the offset necessary between roller cam and RF optics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted December 8, 2014 Share #31 Posted December 8, 2014 I thought b/w from my M8.2 was superb, but find that b/w print results from my M are as good, and often better. This may be due to various reasons, but the sensor doesn't seem to have 'ruined' anything...as many surmised…at least not for me. The whole workflow is key.Jeff Agreed. I've been one of those "pry it from my dead hands" M8.2 owners, however I found, like Jeff, the M bw conversions were terrific. I think it is advantage M because of the extra resolution where lenses like my 50 Lux ASPH can really show it's stuff. As to replacing the existing Monochrom - what with one more defect now showing up (the corroding sensors, what next?) - bring it on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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