k-hawinkler Posted September 29, 2014 Share #81 Posted September 29, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Congratulations! My 2 cents: The FW should prohibit such so called "user errors"! But, as it doesn't you need and found your work around! Good show! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 Hi k-hawinkler, Take a look here No freezes with the M-P, design failure of m240?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Berlinman Posted September 30, 2014 Share #82 Posted September 30, 2014 For a new answer from Leica see my post: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/showpost.php?p=2792968 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bephoto Posted October 8, 2014 Share #83 Posted October 8, 2014 I have two M240 since 2 months ago, older one is already a year old never had these Freezes everyone is talking about! the only freeze I had was my fault because I put an old SD in the camera and in C mode froze. with fast SDs never happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 8, 2014 Share #84 Posted October 8, 2014 No freeze Perhaps it's just the M-P has the latest firmware Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 8, 2014 Share #85 Posted October 8, 2014 No freezePerhaps it's just the M-P has the latest firmware My M-P has the same .15 FW as my older M240. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted October 9, 2014 Share #86 Posted October 9, 2014 My M-P has the same .15 FW as my older M240. Version numbers can be misleading. The FW is most definitely updated over the M240 due to the changed electronics (bigger buffer). Leica might choose to keep the FW version number the same between the camera types to avoid confusion, and to keep the version numbers between both models coherent with future updates. That doesn't mean that the FW can't contain other fixes than the modifications required by the new electronics though. A version number is just a version number... You don't really need to update it if you don't want to Incremental fixes within the same version of a software is normal... There can always be a version 2.0.15 build 81 and build 107 for example, something which is not shown to end users... But since the M-P has revised electronics there must be new build numbers of the firmware to accomodate for the hardware modifications... That build might also include undocumented fixes. And according to Leica (Berlinman's response) the bug is software related, and will be fixed in a future update. Which indicates that the later fw revision that the M-P has most probably includes undocumented fixes as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 9, 2014 Share #87 Posted October 9, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Version numbers can be misleading. The FW is most definitely updated over the M240 due to the changed electronics (bigger buffer). Are you sure? The firmware uses a 32-bit word, byte-addressable, which can support 4Gb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woorob Posted October 10, 2014 Share #88 Posted October 10, 2014 Multiple freezes for me. Definitely not weather related as it has occurred in temperatures below 0 centigrade. More prevalent before the latest firmware though. This is the only digital camera in which I have experienced any sort of lockup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted October 10, 2014 Share #89 Posted October 10, 2014 Are you sure? The firmware uses a 32-bit word, byte-addressable, which can support 4Gb. Word size does not really matter here. However, the same firmware is likely able to support different hardware revisions, especially if the only difference is RAM size. As a matter of fact, when you upgrade the RAM on your PC/Mac, you do not have to update the firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlinman Posted October 10, 2014 Share #90 Posted October 10, 2014 For me it looks like there were different problems, why the M240 freezes. Some are fixed with the last FW update. The problem with freezing while focussing us not fixed. It gas nothing to do with SD-Cards, buffer etc - it us a pure software bug. But it only appears with EVF/LV. Ir would be interesting weather other useres hafe different kinds if freezes after updating the FW and what happens with the M-P. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted October 10, 2014 Share #91 Posted October 10, 2014 Are you sure? The firmware uses a 32-bit word, byte-addressable, which can support 4Gb. I have no idea. It's pure speculation based on how the software industry in general work, of course. Build versions with small fixes are quite common within the same version numbers, especially for companies that want to have a streamlined and coherent software version numbering system. Even the NT kernel in Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 has had numerous fixes implemented since the initial RTM release, and yet it still retains the same version number and build number. Quite common. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r7photo Posted October 10, 2014 Share #92 Posted October 10, 2014 Lots of 240 owners me included never had a freeze issue or any troubles whatsoever, my 240 has bee flawless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted October 10, 2014 Share #93 Posted October 10, 2014 The question of freezes seems to involve those who regularly use LV/EVF. I always shoot in single shot mode so my freezes are not continuous mode related. So anyome saying they do not get freezes should mention LV and/or EVF or not. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 10, 2014 Share #94 Posted October 10, 2014 Even the NT kernel in Windows 7, 8 and 8.1 has had numerous fixes implemented since the initial RTM release, and yet it still retains the same version number and build number. Quite common. I have not programmed under Windows for years, thank Core, but a programmer can drill into the system to find detailed version IDs other than what is commonly displayed to the user, but regardless the version ID won't tell us whether specific features are available. One has to issue calls to detect specific features. I'm looking at the Leica m240 firmware right now. I am certain I can detect differences between versions, if they exist. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted October 10, 2014 Share #95 Posted October 10, 2014 I have not programmed under Windows for years, thank Core, but a programmer can drill into the system to find detailed version IDs other than what is commonly displayed to the user, but regardless the version ID won't tell us whether specific features are available. One has to issue calls to detect specific features. I'm looking at the Leica m240 firmware right now. I am certain I can detect differences between versions, if they exist. . Well if you have access to an original and untouched M-P firmware file you can simply run a md5 hash comparison between the M240 and M-P firmware to see if they are identical or not :-) The M-P's firmware file is not available on Leica's website. Otherwise it would be very easy to find out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted October 10, 2014 Share #96 Posted October 10, 2014 Lots of 240 owners me included never had a freeze issue or any troubles whatsoever, my 240 has bee flawless I've made about 15000 images with my M240 after about 14 months of ownership. The camera has frozen two times. Both times prior to the latest firmware release. So yeah, it hasn't been much of an issue for me either. I've used the same memory card all the time: Sandisk Extreme Pro 95MB/S 64GB SDXC, formatted every now and then with SDFormatter. I've used the EVF for about 3000 frames I suppose. LV maybe 200. I've used it from about 35 celsius to -20 celsius also. No problems - except the lenses got much stiffer to focus thanks to the lubricants getting thick and sticky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r7photo Posted October 10, 2014 Share #97 Posted October 10, 2014 I have used LV and evf, no freezes on my 240, at all , camera has worked well, interesting only few 240 effective, just reporting out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 10, 2014 Share #98 Posted October 10, 2014 .[...]The M-P's firmware file is not available on Leica's website. Otherwise it would be very easy to find out. Yes. Sucks does it not? Or perhaps it is the same as its brother. I think the later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plexigary Posted October 13, 2014 Share #99 Posted October 13, 2014 I shot with a brand new M-P for five days last week, about 1,400 actuations, and it froze four times. Two of the freezes were just after I had changed ISO. I was using a SanDisk Extreme Pro 32gb card, no EVF, occasional LV. Cheers, Gary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted October 15, 2014 Share #100 Posted October 15, 2014 M 240 froze several times within ten minutes today. Using MFG as usual and EVF as not so usual. Cold weather, single shot. The auto focus-zoom and highlighting failed to occur when I focused and the shutter wouldn't open, but live view carried on working. Switch off and on sorted it. 2.0.1.5 firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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