dkCambridgeshire Posted June 21, 2014 Share #1 Posted June 21, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Tomorrows apparatus for some experimental classic cars' interiors photography. In 1974 the Minolta 16mm Fisheye Rokkor was modified by Leica to produce the Leitz 16mm Fisheye-Elmarit R. The Leica Pocket Book 7th Edition edited by E Puts describes the lens: " … although once popular as it generated eye catching images, it is close to obsolete now." … a rather dogmatic statement which is repeated in the 8th Edition. I enjoy using fisheye lenses and they have their uses - especially in cramped interiors - but I've not tried a fisheye on an M previously. According to the DOF scale everything should be in focus from 45cm to 1.5m at f8 … sufficient to capture the interior of e.g. a Daimler limousine or a classic Bentley. An accessory spirit level will be more important than a viewfinder. Minolta MD/MC to Leica M adaptors are readily available and Minolta fisheye lenses can be sourced very ££reasonably e.g. there is one listed in the UK by a well known classic camera dealer for just £125. Best wishes dunk Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Tomorrows apparatus for some experimental classic cars' interiors photography. In 1974 the Minolta 16mm Fisheye Rokkor was modified by Leica to produce the Leitz 16mm Fisheye-Elmarit R. The Leica Pocket Book 7th Edition edited by E Puts describes the lens: " … although once popular as it generated eye catching images, it is close to obsolete now." … a rather dogmatic statement which is repeated in the 8th Edition. I enjoy using fisheye lenses and they have their uses - especially in cramped interiors - but I've not tried a fisheye on an M previously. According to the DOF scale everything should be in focus from 45cm to 1.5m at f8 … sufficient to capture the interior of e.g. a Daimler limousine or a classic Bentley. An accessory spirit level will be more important than a viewfinder. Minolta MD/MC to Leica M adaptors are readily available and Minolta fisheye lenses can be sourced very ££reasonably e.g. there is one listed in the UK by a well known classic camera dealer for just £125. Best wishes dunk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/229267-mm-experiment/?do=findComment&comment=2615296'>More sharing options...
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chrism Posted June 21, 2014 Share #2 Posted June 21, 2014 Don't forget to give us a link to the results! Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 21, 2014 Share #3 Posted June 21, 2014 It is really the same lens. i get excellent result from my Elmarit. I am not quite happy with the rasults in B&W. I think a fisheye calles for colour. Show us your results. I would be happy to stand corrected Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 21, 2014 Author Share #4 Posted June 21, 2014 I'm also planning to use the WATE … & my XV … if can carry everything … so might have some comparison pics i.e. 16mm fisheye & 16mm WATE …and can use the WATE finder's bubble level with the fisheye. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted June 22, 2014 As an aid to composition with the 16mm fisheye lens a HOLGA fisheye viewfinder costs approx £10 in UK and $12 in USA Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! dunk Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! dunk ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/229267-mm-experiment/?do=findComment&comment=2615636'>More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 22, 2014 Author Share #6 Posted June 22, 2014 It is really the same lens. i get excellent result from my Elmarit. I am not quite happy with the rasults in B&W. I think a fisheye calles for colour. Show us your results. I would be happy to stand corrected Results show impossible dynamic range - if car interiors are OK or almost OK then exterior detail visible through car windows is very overexposed - but might be able to rescue a few. And I should not blame my exposure meter (I used a handheld Sekonic L-318 for incident light readings) but results suggest interiors are underexposed- but again the dynamic range inside the cars is too great . Needs studio lights or multiple flash to do a decent job. However, I will be using the fisheye lens on the MM again - but for less demanding exposures. Best wishes dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 24, 2014 Share #7 Posted June 24, 2014 Advertisement (gone after registration) Actually I just bought a PhotoJoJo fisheye lens for my iPhone. Works perfectly, is great fun and costs only 20$... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share #8 Posted June 24, 2014 Actually I just bought a PhotoJoJo fisheye lens for my iPhone. Works perfectly, is great fun and costs only 20$... That's 'new technology' … these are a few of the 70s 16mm Rokkor lens' results: http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/technology-industry/336702-bourne-classic-car-show-22-june.html More experiments this week. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted June 24, 2014 Share #9 Posted June 24, 2014 Results show impossible dynamic range - if car interiors are OK or almost OK then exterior detail visible through car windows is very overexposed Bounce flash, or a small flashbulb without reflector. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share #10 Posted June 24, 2014 Bounce flash, or a small flashbulb without reflector.. Maybe but would need more than one to effectively illuminate the whole of the interior evenly - and I was at a car show - not taking pics in a studio. Car owners at classic car shows are not always cooperative and I do not like to push my luck by asking if I can set up supplementary lighting. Using flash to cover a fisheye lens' angles would have required hidden flash in the front of the car and hidden flash in the rear of the car - and experimentation to get the correct balance. On a less bright day results would have been better. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffreyg Posted June 25, 2014 Share #11 Posted June 25, 2014 Also consider the 15mm CV Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/229267-mm-experiment/?do=findComment&comment=2617516'>More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted June 25, 2014 Author Share #12 Posted June 25, 2014 Yes the 15mm CV is a fine lens - but it is not a fisheye and when bought used, it costs more than a s/h16mm Rokkor. dunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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